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Sturgeon to give speech at event banning talk of single sex spaces

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ResisterRex · 29/11/2022 06:06

In The Times:

Zero tolerance event bans talk of single sex spaces

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6706e702-6f72-11ed-8a5b-f385de7508fe?shareToken=732040628914a5ae28102b14f150cb6b

"Sturgeon’s speech, due to be delivered about halfway through the event, is expected to last be about 20 minutes. is due to deliver the main speech, which is due to last 20 minutes, around half way through the event.

The decision might have been made to “save the blushes of the first minister”, suggested Marion Calder, director of For Women Scotland.

She praised Zero Tolerance’s work but said: “Thirty years on, Scottish women must be wondering what has happened to this organisation.”"

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Brefugee · 30/11/2022 08:10

I'm also baffled about the complete and utter capitulation to TRA/MRA thinking.

In my experience, a male changing gender does not make any difference to whether or not that male is an offending risk against females.

Well, FM, here is the problem - AGAIN: when men are allowed in women's spaces it is 100% impossible to say "this is the ladies" because, hang on to your hat, there is no requirement to undergo any surgery (I'm fine with that, it's a big step), or to make any attempt to look like a woman (whatever that is) including not shaving off a beard, wearing men's suits (also fine to me) and so on. So how the fuck are we supposed to know?

And that's without actual rapes and attacks that have actually happened.

radrado · 30/11/2022 00:25

Well as a pro union Scot, that’s the only good thing that could come out of this. She’s botched so much she needs to start focusing on the big stuff. The census debacle is now coming out -the costs involved. She makes me embarrassed to be Scottish.

BlackForestCake · 30/11/2022 00:05

I find her fanaticism - independence at all cost- terrifying.

But pressing ahead with self-ID puts her chances of winning independence in jeopardy.

PaterPower · 29/11/2022 23:46

Regardless of the truth, (or not), of the sapphic rumours, the bit about funds being unaccounted for is true. The Private Eye regularly brings that up.

radrado · 29/11/2022 23:41

Let’s aim high. It’s irrelevant, I don’t like these personal attacks on NS.

justasking111 · 29/11/2022 23:30

mobile.twitter.com/easyok_/status/1528810111338176515?lang=en

What a rabbit hole twitter is

justasking111 · 29/11/2022 23:17

radrado · 29/11/2022 23:12

She is blinded and fanatical and can never admit she’s wrong. It’s quite scary. The hatred she has stirred up with her reaction to the recent Supreme Court referendum decision . I find her fanaticism - independence at all cost- terrifying.

Plaid cymru are trying this tactic too. It's worrying

justasking111 · 29/11/2022 23:16

FemaleAndLearning · 29/11/2022 09:15

Wow Sturgeon is a dictator who hates women and girls.

From what I have heard she doesn't hate all women 😂

radrado · 29/11/2022 23:13

@Faffertea and yes they do need their votes or they don’t have a majority.

radrado · 29/11/2022 23:12

She is blinded and fanatical and can never admit she’s wrong. It’s quite scary. The hatred she has stirred up with her reaction to the recent Supreme Court referendum decision . I find her fanaticism - independence at all cost- terrifying.

TheBiologyStupid · 29/11/2022 22:45

Theresa May started off down the same route but hit a roadblock when the issue started attracting scrutiny. NS's fiefdom is under firmer control and she's just doubled down. And, yes, doing the opposite of Westminster has great appeal to her as well of, course.

Faffertea · 29/11/2022 22:38

Why is she so committed to this though? I understand now she can’t back down as she’d lose face etc but why go down this route to begin with? She can’t claim ignorance because even the most captured know the truth really.
Do the SNP really need the votes of Green MSPs? Is it all posturing and for woke points to prove she’s different (and that Scotland) is different from the government in London? Or is it something else?
I just don’t get what the motivation is.

TheBiologyStupid · 29/11/2022 22:17

Happylittlechicken · 29/11/2022 06:16

So at a conference about VAWG, they’re silencing women talking about why they may require single sex spaces. And they call themselves feminists? Obviously from the same school of feminism as wee Nicola. The kind that prioritises men.

Absolutely. Totally disgraceful.

radrado · 29/11/2022 22:16

She is a fanatic and will do anything to keep in power, even throw Scottish women and girls to the wolves.

HopRockers · 29/11/2022 22:04

ResisterRex · 29/11/2022 20:31

A clip of her response: "in my long experience most men don't feel the need to change gender to commit violence against women"

Most.

Most men.

So some will and some do. An admission, a shift. But with a side helping of "look how much I know. Me and my oodles of experience".

More to the point, is the sudden realisation that some sex offenders seem to have that they do want to change gender once time in stir is on the cards. Gosh I don't wonder why?

twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1597682593813524480?s=46&t=qo1iMS-chfaoqeMG5wMMpw

FFS I'm here to talk about VAGW but let's all remember the special men are more important & more vulnerable.

I could not loathe her more

MidsomerMurmurs · 29/11/2022 21:53

radrado · 29/11/2022 21:51

“Most” ooooooohh Lorna Slater won’t like that.

Don’t forget Maggie Chapman and wee Patrick. They’ll be spitting feathers.

radrado · 29/11/2022 21:51

“Most” ooooooohh Lorna Slater won’t like that.

Datun · 29/11/2022 21:28

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 21:22

force rape survivors to validate your special identity, here, just fill out this form online

Yes, although as far as anyone can tell, Mridul has no GRC and has never filled out any kind of form.

Yeah, she's not wrong then, is she, Sturgeon. You don't have to do jack shit to access all areas. The magic words are enough.

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 21:22

force rape survivors to validate your special identity, here, just fill out this form online

Yes, although as far as anyone can tell, Mridul has no GRC and has never filled out any kind of form.

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 21:21

I agree, nils. However, I do think that this tiny little chink in the narrative, an acknowledgement that bad apples are possible, is important. I doubt Sturgeon will ever come round to seeing sense; for whatever reason, she's made her bed on this issue.

But acknowleding that women are not wrong to raise the issues, that there is a risk, may be enough for others to build on, and start to ask questions.

Datun · 29/11/2022 21:20

What a deceitful woman. It's not the changing gender that leads men to violence against women. It's the 'access all areas' that comes with it.

Who does she fucking think she's kidding.

You want to to see women getting undressed, or stand next to them while they pee with their knickers round their ankles, or force rape survivors to validate your special identity, here, just fill out this form online, and you're good to go.

nilsmousehammer · 29/11/2022 21:07

Shifting from total denial of reality in her whole "It's never happened, it never will happen, I identify as that evidence you're showing me not existing in my personal reality' to 'ok, it does happen, but only a little bit' ....

yes, it's a fairly big shift. Abandoning total denial of reality, definitely a positive.

But we all know the next default position she's shifting to which is the well known, now very worn out and battered one of 'well it's only a few bad apples, and very occasionally, and it's unfair to stop all male people being happy getting their kit off where they want and freely making female people miserable when it's only a few bad apples who are actually raping them, so be kind'.

It's the narcissist's prayer.

That didn't happen.
And if it did it wasn't that bad.

The position after that is, 'and if it was that bad, then it wasn't my fault'.

There is no place in public office for someone incapable of seeing female humans as equal to male ones.

littlbrowndog · 29/11/2022 21:06

And the trans women are the most stymatised ever in the history of the world

yet she was at a talk about violence against girls and women. The almost run

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 21:05

Well, this is true. I don't think it will go down well with them at all. Hmmm.

littlbrowndog · 29/11/2022 21:04

But arabella. Her overlords the Green Party won’t hear of it