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Emily Bridges Documentary - ITV Wales Tuesday 29th November

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Dreikanter · 28/11/2022 06:34

Looks like it may only be getting aired in Wales?

road.cc/content/news/emily-bridges-documentary-itv-next-week-297655

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FusilliFettler · 30/11/2022 08:06

I’ve just started watching. Spotted Joanna Harper with the family at Loughborough, which explains some of the sound bites about fair competition. Also noticed the change in voice - narration is always soft and gentle lady voice, the pieces filmed at races are EV’s genuine voice.

SallyLockheart · 30/11/2022 07:19

Just watched it. Me,me, mental health, me, me, mental health on loop. There’s a segment about 19 minutes in when he is challenged by the itv journalist about the retained biological advantages - the response is to look down and just about smirk. “Emily” knows there is a retained advantage

strikes me as an unhappy teenager - bit odd, lonely - listened to the wrong therapist and imbibed lots of trans online media. Many of the phrases used are depressingly familiar from TW.

FusilliFettler · 30/11/2022 06:31

during one segment about how it scared EB to have little privacy, journalists knocking at the family's front door etc,

And yet the Bridges family seize every opportunity to be in the news. They have made choices that put this young person in the eye of a media storm eg this documentary, the ITV interview, the endless magazine covers…
I don’t know who is pushing this media presence but I don’t see how it’s helping anyone, especially EB themselves.

PandoraVox · 30/11/2022 00:31

Couple of people in the road.cc story's comment section saying there are more than two sexes, which is always amusing.

GinnyCwmbran · 30/11/2022 00:19

Have name changed for this.

I watched the documentary, and I live on the outskirts of Cwmbrân, where Emily & family are from. In fact, I'm sure that I saw EB walking around Cwmbrân Shopping during the summer, but I digress.

The narrative was what you'd expect; that although British Cycling would allow EB to race as a female, UCI wouldn't. IIRC, it was British Cycling who refused to give EB a license to race as a female, but happy to be corrected. EB seemed to want to be the first successful transwoman cyclist which must be news to Veronika (sic) Ivy, who was quoted in the documentary.

Much was made of the impact that lowering EB's testosterone levels to under 5 nanomoles per litre had had on EB's competitive ability - two races were shown with poor results, but it wasn't made clear exactly when EB had started taking oestrogen.

EB made a comment about having seen a gender specialist, who I would guess to be our old friends the Webberleys, given that you can reach Abergavenny from Cwmbran in about half an hour. There was a lot of navel gazing, and woe is me moments, but a few things I found ironic. The incorrect spelling of Veronica Ivy's name, Sandra (EB's mum) calling the UCI "Bastards", and that during one segment about how it scared EB to have little privacy, journalists knocking at the family's front door etc, the full name of EB's step father was shown on a certificate on the mantelpiece.

I'm sure there's more that other people will have spotted, though.

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 29/11/2022 23:55

Documentary is viewable here:

www.itv.com/walesprogrammes/articles/race-to-be-me

it’s a bit… empty? As in, hardly any narrative?

And very short.

Almost as if they were expecting to film Bridges competing against female cyclists and instead had to make do with filming Bridges complaining about not being able to compete…

BreatheAndFocus · 29/11/2022 23:04

Dreikanter · 29/11/2022 20:41

At least Bowie knew who he was, and what he was, whatever he was wearing.

Indeed….

Dreikanter · 29/11/2022 20:41

At least Bowie knew who he was, and what he was, whatever he was wearing.

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BreatheAndFocus · 29/11/2022 20:06

Dreikanter · 29/11/2022 15:40

There's the Gucci photoshoot too ...

That always reminds me of the legendary and much-missed Bowie eg below. I think it’s the hair:

Emily Bridges Documentary - ITV Wales Tuesday 29th November
Helleofabore · 29/11/2022 18:44

Sorry. Dead eyes. They are very vacant.

Helleofabore · 29/11/2022 18:40

assume it softens the jawline rather than just going for the vacant porn look

The deaf eyes make me believe it is the porn look. I could be wrong. But I wouldn’t mind betting this male thinks this is ‘sexy woman look’.

Dreikanter · 29/11/2022 18:35

Helleofabore · 29/11/2022 16:43

That is still not convincing and I notice the porn open mouth look seems to be a favourite.

So much airbrushing, and yes that awful open mouth (assume it softens the jawline rather than just going for the vacant porn look).

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Dreikanter · 29/11/2022 18:33

Helleofabore · 29/11/2022 16:42

This might be an interesting read for anyone not that familiar with the reasoning behind Bridges exclusion from the female category (and they should not be banned from the male category ).

idrottsforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/devineetal221129.pdf

This was released today.

"When Ideology Trumps Science: A response to the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport’s Review on Transwomen Athletes in the Female Category"

Cathy Devine, Emma Hilton, Leslie Howe, Miroslav Imbrišević, Tommy Lundberg, Jon Pike

Independent Scholar; University of Manchester; University of Saskatchewan; Open University (UK); Karolinska Institutet

29 November 2022

Thanks for posting that.

The CCES paper was such patent nonsense with its ridiculous misquoting of research findings that it’s good to see a firm rebuttal.

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Helleofabore · 29/11/2022 16:43

Dreikanter · 29/11/2022 15:40

There's the Gucci photoshoot too ...

That is still not convincing and I notice the porn open mouth look seems to be a favourite.

Helleofabore · 29/11/2022 16:42

This might be an interesting read for anyone not that familiar with the reasoning behind Bridges exclusion from the female category (and they should not be banned from the male category ).

idrottsforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/devineetal221129.pdf

This was released today.

"When Ideology Trumps Science: A response to the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport’s Review on Transwomen Athletes in the Female Category"

Cathy Devine, Emma Hilton, Leslie Howe, Miroslav Imbrišević, Tommy Lundberg, Jon Pike

Independent Scholar; University of Manchester; University of Saskatchewan; Open University (UK); Karolinska Institutet

29 November 2022

Starlitexpress · 29/11/2022 15:50

Out of interest, will there be a documentary on emerging female cyclists?

And how are they getting Gucci photo shoots, presumably paid for, I mean, who looks at that picture and thinks Gucci is the brand for them?

Dreikanter · 29/11/2022 15:40

There's the Gucci photoshoot too ...

Emily Bridges Documentary - ITV Wales Tuesday 29th November
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ReunitedThorns · 29/11/2022 11:12

I would be interested to know what percentage of "trans" athletes are on oestrogen or have had surgery.

Really strange how so many transwomen athletes seem to be reluctant to take oestrogen or have surgery. Usually trans people are desperate to take cross-sex hormones and have surgery as soon as possible.

FemaleAndLearning · 29/11/2022 09:34

And these wonderful women made the press by showing their support for women at the Derby Arena.

Emily Bridges Documentary - ITV Wales Tuesday 29th November
Emily Bridges Documentary - ITV Wales Tuesday 29th November
Emily Bridges Documentary - ITV Wales Tuesday 29th November
FemaleAndLearning · 29/11/2022 09:29

The listing for the Derby Arena April 2022

Emily Bridges Documentary - ITV Wales Tuesday 29th November
Emily Bridges Documentary - ITV Wales Tuesday 29th November
Helleofabore · 29/11/2022 09:25

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 29/11/2022 09:18

Some one on here used that photo as a gotcha the other day

i found it funny

They did!

They honestly thought that a photoshopped and carefully posed image was an example of real life!

I think it is was porn mouth open expression that hides a male chin that obviously bamboozled them.

FemaleAndLearning · 29/11/2022 09:22

Photoshopping is epic

Emily Bridges Documentary - ITV Wales Tuesday 29th November
Emily Bridges Documentary - ITV Wales Tuesday 29th November
FusilliFettler · 29/11/2022 09:21

Exactly. It’s hardly a conspiracy. Everyone who holds a race licence with BC has all their info publicly available

FemaleAndLearning · 29/11/2022 09:20

FusilliFettler · 29/11/2022 08:50

leaked to the press

All the information was available in the British Cycling website before the press got hold of it. But that doesn’t suit the narrative.

Yes and Bridges was listed as male in the female race.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 29/11/2022 09:18

SallyLockheart · 28/11/2022 07:57

I was thinking exactly the same. Not quite the polished photoshopped girly look

Some one on here used that photo as a gotcha the other day

i found it funny