Cambridge sermon: Jesus may have been trans

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As a Christian (not c of e) I find that totally offensive.

As a Muslim, I have issues with such statements too.

How can people get away with saying such garbage? I remember there was outrage when a comedian made jokes that Jesus (peace be upon him) was gay. And then some were going around wearing t shirts saying that.

It’s upsetting and offensive. And now they’re saying something like this?!

Trans people can live how they want, but don’t bring Religion and all that is holy into it.

Indeed

It's no more inherently improbable than virgin birth.

I don’t think one bonkers Dean is representative of the whole Church of England!

probably, in fairness, more believable than turning water into wine.

I can't really get too upset about claims made regarding a space pixie's 'gender identity', provided of course that it's not somehow used as an excuse to pass TWAW-style lies as, er, gospel.

The capacity of some men to sexualise everything knows no bounds. The sad thing is when useful idiots like the dean of trinity lack the integrity to challenge it "cos it's trans".

I'm fairly certain that no man in their right mind would identify as female in Palestine in AD33.

Me too.

@Zerogravity Some would say that if a sermon merely confirms your existing views, it hasn't done its job. I'm not sure whether I agree with that!

Wow, what was the point of saying that in a sermon exactly? Should have stayed in a rarely-read blog in a dark corner of the internet.

(And yes I did say ‘gender’ there because I was still labouring under a couple of misapprehensions at the time, my dissertstion was the tipping point)

Isn't this just a contemporary retread of St Sebastian as a gay icon?

Only, y'know, trans, cause that's more in vogue and even more boundary busting, being as it's about actual Jesus.

When I did my MSc I specialised in gender representation in images and one thing that seemed bloody obvious was that the images represent the interpretations of the artist, influenced by the era in which they lived, their social status, the financial influence of their patrons, the family background, the sexuality of the artist and their patron, and that’s just off the top of my head, and I am not an art historian.

You’d have to be thick as mince to think the subject somehow had any input into the image made of them.

Even allowing for “God inspires me” as a line of argument it is impossible to reconcile gender woo reimagining of an era when gender wasn’t a thing (arguably it still isn’t) because if God guided the artist’s hand to create a trans Jesus he would clearly also have guided society to a place of acceptance of natal women and an end to sex based discrimination, patriarchy, and misigyny.

So, a vagina is exactly the same as an open wound (well obviously, because it bleeds…) And these men tell us they know exactly what it feels like to be a woman 🙄

My thoughts exactly. I am sickened at the depths some individuals within the church are going.

Completely agree with you. I was pointing out that the "shock!" value of such a sermon is a bit undermined when some of the ideas are relatively mainstream.

Also, people have been saying odd things about Jesus' body since the very earliest days of Christianity. Most of them get rejected, in former times alongside accusations of heresy.

Me too. I am a Christian and I’d have left very loudly. What they fail to realise is those they are upsetting are the ones who give regularly to the church and would be more inclined to leave bequests in wills. I’ve now left the C of E. I just do independent prayer. They lost me at ‘God can make mistakes’. And ‘we can’t define woman but TW are women’. Stuff them. I’ve changed my donation to a charity that will actually do good.

I think he got a bit excited at the thought of a manly thrust from a Roman spear.

I just told this to my 14 year old who hilariously said 'wow, someone's not going to heaven' 😆

It's something of a leap from that to 'Jesus himself might have been trans'. At most, one could say that Renaissance artists might have wanted to portray sexual ambiguity in their portraits.

I'm a Christian and I would have left if that had been the 'sermon'. What an absolute load of b*llocks.

Man thinks that a vagina is interchangeable with ‘gash’. What a shock. And this is progressive 😂

I just googled 'Christ's wounds as sexual imagery' and this isn't even a new idea.

journal.sciencemuseum.ac.uk/browse/issue-15/your-body-is-full-of-wounds/penetrating-the-gash-in-late-medieval-prayer-books/