Cambridge sermon: Jesus may have been trans

definitely non binary, what with being trinity and all that...

(sorry)

I would guess that some of the "manmade versions" are all three, but not vaginas..

Should’ve gone to Specsavers....

Leaving aside the deepy iffy theology, since when was a vagina under the ribs?

I’m fairly sure mine is lower than my ribs else, if it was higher than my ribs, it’d be around chin level which would be…disconcerting.

As for Jesus being trans, WTF? If nothing else, that’s a whole lot of “The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost” references that are going to have to be edited, not to mention all the mis-pronouning in every holy script for thousands of years.

Who says The Higher Powers don’t have a sense of humour?

Well he does have long hair and wear a white dress 🤷‍♀️

seems clear enough to me.

I don't think we this is any sillier (or less Christian) than the fundamentalist CofE folk who don't believe in evolution and hate Halloween.

The CofE has always been a social club with every possible type of 'Christian' in it (including lots for whom belief in God is optional).

Meant to add that the author of that piece is an emeritus professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Chicago and has also published on atheism - his Faith vs Fact is a good read on the subject of religion and science.

This nonsense is being discussed in the US now: whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/11/27/cambridge-student-preacher-causes-a-row-by-suggesting-that-jesus-was-a-transsexual-male/

You could turn that around though, and say that the reason the CofE has been so quick to embrace gender ideology is because they had already opened the door to the idea that sex wasn't an important material element of the body, whereas the Orthodox and Catholics, who do not believe that, have resisted that particular ideological idiocy.

@Anactor puts me in mind of the Che Guevara-esque poster the C of E did many years ago: ‘Meek. Mild. As if.’

It is offensive, and wtf does "valid" mean in this context? Ideals like Jesus being both male and female were rejected as heretical pretty early in the history of the Church, if it's now valid so is pretty much any bs someone says at a sermon.

But it reminds me of a church a friend of mine visited, where she was shocked to see a depiction, in the style of an icon, of Mary holding a giant penis wrapped in swaddling clothes.

Some people are so desperate to be edgy it's pathetic.

Yup. Without the naice music and the tradition of ‘gentle Mary Meek and Mild’, lines like:

“He has shown strength with his arm; he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He has brought down the powerful from their thrones and lifted up the lowly; he has filled the hungry with good things and sent the rich away empty.”

Sound a bit more like an enthusiastic young revolutionary than ‘sweet, harmless young mother’.

How interesting!

I sang the magnificat with a choir as a kid, and the bits I remember are terribly naice and well behaved.... there must have been all the good bits cut out!

“Can't really envisage Mary in a chariot, with a sword, actively doing things instead of sweetly and obediently carrying what she's told.”

Oh, you should have a look at the Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55) sometime. It’s practically a call to the barricades.

Then there’s the juxtaposition of Mary getting pregnant by the Holy Spirit and then ‘with haste’ deciding to visit her cousin a hundred miles away…

If Luke was basing this on actual stories about the actual Mary, she sounds like quite a character.

Strangely (or is it) the one time I've been to a service at Trinity, a little while ago, the sermon was also about an old painting. It was the painting of a black man. I can't remember what the sermon, by the usual Trinity person apparently, was about really, but remember thinking that it was both Woke and foolish. A Trinity student sitting near me commented that they were getting thoroughly fed up with the constant woke sermons from this individual.

God forbid that Jesus could have been a woman. Instead he could have been a woman-hating anti-equality trans person - great. Lets entrench misogyny as deep as we possibly can in our culture and dress is up under a guise of academia. Some people are loathsome.

Ah yes. Although Mary always absolutely definitely not sexual in any way, immaculate, definitely not anything dodgy happening getting her pregnant via the holy spirit/Archangel Gabriel.... I doubt you'd find much in 2000 years of Roman Catholicism about her vagina.

With the Romans also vigorously not looking at all the pagan goddesses they kind of sellotaped Mary over the top of who were a lot less nice and perfect womanhood thing. Pagan women were druids, warriors, bards, a whole lot more equality, and the goddesses did the whole maiden mother and crone thing, a lot more fertility, healing, wisdom and death. Can't really envisage Mary in a chariot, with a sword, actively doing things instead of sweetly and obediently carrying what she's told.

Bwahaha…..

Oh synchronicity how I love thee…..

Am laid up on day 6 of hideous virus, probably delirious and have been sleeping and going down a Dan Browne adjacent YouTube rabbit hole encompassing all sorts of bloodline and Templar related speculation cos my idea of fun…..

Not two hours ago, as The Last Supper was being dissected, the thought crossed my mind - how long before it’s claimed Jesus was trans….. or MM…..

And hey presto, I open up this board and my question is answered 🤣

Ask and ye shall receive indeed……

God as the mother hen, protecting her chickens under her wings, is one I like a lot.

The Bible tells us that a soldier put a spear in His side and blood and water gushed out. I've read they did this to hasten the demise. How renaissance painters then represented this in images says more about them than about Jesus. It's not very well thought out to say this meant He was trans.

Maybe I missed that bit in the bible where Jesus asked to be referred to a Ze/Zey. It probably got lost in translation.

Come to think of it both Jesus and John the baptist (& Peter and Paul) all not keen on sex at all. Or how they dressed and looked!

@Oioicaptain I think that is showing Christ's wounds together with the instruments of the passion, which are a common subject for medieval Christian art.

Thing on the far right which looks like a cloth on a stick is the Holy Sponge. It's hard to make the others out, can see the Lance and the Cross. There might be pincers as well in the top right.

The ladder might be the ladder used for the Deposition.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arma_Christi

Is this them jumping the shark? Is this it?

On another note, is that little man going to try and climb into the medieval vulva wound with that ladder? And what does that symbolise?

@DatasCat That's been orthodoxy, at least in theory, for thousands of years. Plenty of female imagery of God in the Jewish scriptures, too. Doesn't translate to actual religious practices though!

He had long hair so he was obviously trans innit.

This just sounds like some bloke wanted to put forward a theory that Jesus was trans for some attention and publicity, and so just tried to come up with anything to make it fit.

Gash, wound, hole - totes the same as a vagina. Bingo!