Cambridge sermon: Jesus may have been trans

What a load of absolute nonsense.

😂

He's not dead, he's resting. Give it three days.

This thread is great!
It's Monty Python meets Dan Brown meets Jordan Peterson meets Melvyn Bragg.

Yes, it lost me that that point. I'm I being thick? Because I can't understand how he made that leap from a wound to a vagina!

Also women had important roles in the early church, Phoebe the deaconess mentioned by Paul as well as Mary Magdalene and all the other women named in the New Testament. Much of this was lost when the Roman Empire took charge of Christianity, then again roles were removed from women in the late Middle Ages and even more so with the reformation, iirc.

Oh FFS.

Just when you think we've reached peak idiocy, now Jesus was trans . 🤦

are we sure this isn't all a really elaborate practical joke?

Well I think you can have that. God(dess) has no physical body. The fleshly types are divided into male and female for reproductive purposes. Sex is irrelevant to spirit. So God the Father is also Goddess the Mother. It just gets awkward to say it that way.

Also yes the word (logos) made flesh is incarnated in a male body but some strands of Christian thought have posited that wisdom (Sophia) made flesh incarnated as female in the form of Mary, mother of God or Mary Magdalene or somehow in both of them. Wisdom is referred to by female pronouns throughout the Old Testament.

Exactly my thoughts!

More sexist shite defended because it’s delivered in trans clothing.

I read this and sighed.. and then played this, loudly!

On the plus side, it will be far more entertaining national news than what we usually get.

Good heavens, if the CofE is going to put out a statement someone, somewhere, in one of the thousands of sermons preached each week, says something stupid, the press office is going to be pretty busy

@ErrolTheDragon I really don't know, but Deans are part of CoE hierarchy, and this Dean is indulging in some first-class navel gazing.

Well, yes that's true.

Not that the CofE necessarily has much of a link to the academic theology, religion and philosophy of religion course, but do you want to hazard a guess as to how many undergrads there are each year for the uni as a whole and Trinity College in particular?

There really aren't enough church goers to tend to or theology students to teach because the C o E has way too much time to pontificate on this utter bollocks.

On Mary and the Magnificat, @Anactor, you said: "Yup. Without the naice music and the tradition of ‘gentle Mary Meek and Mild’, lines like:

“He has shown strength with his arm; he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He has brought down the powerful from their thrones and lifted up the lowly; he has filled the hungry with good things and sent the rich away empty.”

Sound a bit more like an enthusiastic young revolutionary than ‘sweet, harmless young mother’."

...this is Mary talking about God - "He" - though yes, I agree that it does sound pretty anarchic and revolutionary for the time!

If you want carols, try this when it becomes available. It was broadcast live on Advent Sunday (yesterday) from a Cambridge college which is actually next to Trinity.

There will be lots of similar services around, probably most without sermons.

"Oh no, no - police officer, there's a man here been stabbed!!"

"No, you are totally mistaken, mate! You're nicked! That is a trans person with a totally unremarkable bleeding vagina halfway up their ribcage. Leave them alone, you bigot. I am arresting you for misgendering. You do not have to say anything etc etc..."

We've all missed the second coming - Jesus came back as the Missiah and no-one recognised her...

😂Oh, come on! They is a very naughty non-binary, surely??!!😂

So you mean the famous quote should be :
'He's not the messiah, she's a very naughty girl'?

(Sorry. Someone had to)

It would also help if CofE could make a swift statement, either acknowledging this as an official view; otherwise, saying No.

Yes or no? That any stab wound in any man is the equivalent of a vagina? Yes or no? CofE bloke said yes.

CofE also needs to recognise shit when spouted by their own people.

It's another case of a man expressing his own deeply disturbing fantasy in public. Again. Sigh.

CofE should get its pastoral team on to him quick, and provide the help he obviously needs. Before he starts spouting any more deeply misogynist shit.

This is a terrific point and I think it's definitely true this has played a big part in how ready Anglican leaders have been to adopt gender ideology. Although I also think that given you can pretty much find any theological viewpoint somewhere in the Anglican church, it was probably inevitable that at least some Anglicans would embrace it, even without women's ordination, just through general Anglican woolliness!

I do find the Catholic clarity on this quite bracing, I have to say.