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Change of CEO at mermaids…

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backaftera2yearbreak · 25/11/2022 17:52

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/susie-green-leaves-mermaids/

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gruffalosbrother · 27/11/2022 09:58

I mean direct approaches through decent headhunters but they what have they ever done decent and professional

gruffalosbrother · 27/11/2022 09:57

Surely they would have gone to one of the big cheese charity recruiters and brought in a professional interim with a good track record as a safe pair of hands. I don’t think it’s the same charity although salary etc would fit. I would have thought they would be doing direct approaches to interims and twisting their arms to take it, probably with a higher than expected salary

SidewaysOtter · 27/11/2022 09:56

Office Angels and not a dedicated charity recruitment agency like (googles charity recruitment) TPP or Harris Hill?

That was my first thought on seeing the link. Office Angels is the sort of outfit you go to if you want a receptionist for a regional car dealership, not the CEO of a very visible and controversial charity.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/11/2022 09:49

Personally, I think Mermaids will end with a whimper, not a bang. I doubt there is some massive unrevealed scandal. The real scandal is that the Establishment continued to support them, in spite of everything they were doing, quite openly.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 27/11/2022 09:48

Boiledbeetle · 26/11/2022 22:00

@Happylittlechicken time for your application to go in

Office Angels and not a dedicated charity recruitment agency like (googles charity recruitment) TPP or Harris Hill? they seem to have treated this as if it's just another office job and not a specialist one.

FannyCann · 27/11/2022 09:45

teawamutu · 27/11/2022 09:32

No Mermaids expose in today's news, it seems. Makes it more likely that the catalyst is the LGBA judgment?

I think so too. Can't wait for the news and I hope it is going to involve massive expense liability.

MajorieEks · 27/11/2022 09:39

Julie Bindel’s written something for the Spectator

www.spectator.co.uk/article/where-did-it-all-go-wrong-for-trans-charity-mermaids/

KatMcBundleFace · 27/11/2022 09:36

@teawamutu I was just wondering the same........

teawamutu · 27/11/2022 09:32

No Mermaids expose in today's news, it seems. Makes it more likely that the catalyst is the LGBA judgment?

Madcats · 27/11/2022 09:30

The Director of Governance & Designated Safeguarding lead at Stonewall (Mo Wiltshire) is also on the move (but leaving at the end of the year per her tweet).

Rearranging deckchairs ....

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/11/2022 09:30

Datun · 27/11/2022 09:25

No, it"s what SG said, not the doctors.

They took away all Jackie's toys, ffs. How traumatic is that?? Heartbreaking.

It really is. I don’t want Jackie to wake up and sue SG. I really hope Jackie spends the rest of her life believing that she is, and should always have been, a girl. The alternative- realising what has been done to her - is too horrific.

Datun · 27/11/2022 09:25

No, it"s what SG said, not the doctors.

They took away all Jackie's toys, ffs. How traumatic is that?? Heartbreaking.

WarriorN · 27/11/2022 09:19

I also don't believe it's a true representation of what happened.

Datun · 27/11/2022 09:09

WarriorN · 27/11/2022 08:44

I find that tweet quite odd.

Was J seen at the Tavi?

Prior to Green mermaids was more reasonable and open ended. The child I know who was referred to the Tavi around 2010 had a very tactful suggestion around simply enjoying fashion. Which suited him hugely and he was much happier - he'd been quite happy when younger. It was people telling him he couldn't wear xyz that was the problem

Most drs would be v aware that telling a child to play with boys toys is incredibly sexist and unprofessional

Yes. That tweet is still perpetuating the absolute nonsense of toy preferences dictating sex. Which is why, to me, it looks like the opinion of a child. And one who is still repeating what they have always been told.

Surely Green knows enough by now to stop with this sexist claptrap. Mermaids have reverse ferreted on 'born in the wrong body' and all the stuff about stereotypes. But unfortunately, there was no alternative explanation offered for Jackie Green being trans. It's still 'dolls'.

Absolutely tragic.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 27/11/2022 09:04

Without dismissing the reasons SG was not a good CEO for Mermaids, a lot of people have left Twitter since Musk took over.

JG's departure may be related to problems at Mermaids, or JG getting sick of the heated posts around the LGB court case rather than anything specific coming from the court, or could just be part of the general Twitter exodus.

LaughingPriest · 27/11/2022 08:55

I was meant to be female and thus had surgery to correct my small birth defect.

A belief in a higher power, a God or something who designs intended bodies which still "go wrong"?

I can't get my head around it. How does anyone know what they are supposed to be in life if it's pre-ordained?

Really, why can't they just say "I want to be female" without invoking magic or religion?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/11/2022 08:51

WarriorN · 27/11/2022 08:44

I find that tweet quite odd.

Was J seen at the Tavi?

Prior to Green mermaids was more reasonable and open ended. The child I know who was referred to the Tavi around 2010 had a very tactful suggestion around simply enjoying fashion. Which suited him hugely and he was much happier - he'd been quite happy when younger. It was people telling him he couldn't wear xyz that was the problem

Most drs would be v aware that telling a child to play with boys toys is incredibly sexist and unprofessional

According to SG’s TED talk, the toys issue first came up when Jackie was 2, and Jackie was seen by the Tavi at 7. Jackie was therefore not old enough to remember herself what the doctors were saying and will be reliant on whatever self-serving guff SG has told her.

WarriorN · 27/11/2022 08:44

I find that tweet quite odd.

Was J seen at the Tavi?

Prior to Green mermaids was more reasonable and open ended. The child I know who was referred to the Tavi around 2010 had a very tactful suggestion around simply enjoying fashion. Which suited him hugely and he was much happier - he'd been quite happy when younger. It was people telling him he couldn't wear xyz that was the problem

Most drs would be v aware that telling a child to play with boys toys is incredibly sexist and unprofessional

Dreikanter · 27/11/2022 08:38

AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/11/2022 06:49

In most organisations an ‘interim’ position is filled from within.

the fact they are advertising highlights again that this is very sudden and with no succession planning

Unlikely to be a negotiated settlement then, because that takes time for both sides to take legal advice and agree. Plus that LinkedIn screams sacked.

SirMingeALot · 27/11/2022 08:35

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/11/2022 07:42

That's what I was assuming. I know nothing about this sector at all but I used to vaguely know an accountant who seemed to change senior jobs in the NHS very often. Took me ages to grasp that he was a turnaround specialist. Blush

I was under the impression that charity salaries are shamefully low. Would a CEO salary of £60k indicate a larger charity? There are lots of charities based in Leeds but most look to me like small outfits mostly relying on volunteers.

It would be high for a charity based in the north of England but most of them aren't national charities, iyswim. So yeah it's not a like with like comparison.

Datun · 27/11/2022 08:33

If puberty blockers arrest development, and Jackie has written those tweets, they're the the thinking of an adult with the brain of a twelve year old.

@LogicalFallacy6 Agreed. It was mainly doctors who suggested I play with boys toys as they hoped I would 'grow out' of wanting the more girl orientated toys. Alas I didnt grow out of it because I am and always have been a girl.

Did Jackie ever talk much about things other than performing, bike riding and toys? Or being a 'girl'.

ResisterRex · 27/11/2022 08:31

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine I had a thought not a million miles from yours 😔

FusilliFettler · 27/11/2022 08:28

Sarah Phillimore seems to think this is the likely explanation.

Change of CEO at mermaids…
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 27/11/2022 08:24

Re the deleting of Jackie's tweets - I've never been entirely convinced that Jackie had sole control of their Twitter account. It sounded to me like two voices - you have tweets like:

^Getting lost is the best way to find the most beautiful places! 🚲 #cycling #Italy #bianchi #adventure t.co/OpAy2DkC2I^

^Missing #singing so much! #performing is my #love in life. #butterfly @Mermaids_Gender #accoustic #singer t.co/mxc7YQnEnC^

And then you have tweets like:

@LogicalFallacy6 Agreed. It was mainly doctors who suggested I play with boys toys as they hoped I would 'grow out' of wanting the more girl orientated toys. Alas I didnt grow out of it because I am and always have been a girl.

@VictoriaPeckham I was meant to be female and thus had surgery to correct my small birth defect. For a long time I was told I had to play with action men and other 'boy toys', another concept I find rather silly, but still I wanted the Barbies and little mermaid toy

I'd always assumed that Susie had written the "defensive" tweets, but this is of course pure speculation.

SereneSemolina · 27/11/2022 08:24

One would hope that the list of requirements and experience would be rather more extensive to lead a charity and claim 60k salary

To think of the quibbling and judgement over nurses asking for a pay rise and compare their salary to what SG has been being paid from charitable donations and grants is unbelievable.

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