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School Curriculum - A personal win

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InterestingUsernameTBC · 25/11/2022 09:22

18 months ago I first asked for a copy of the resources my child's new secondary school would be using for teaching gender identity in PSHE. I asked one main question - What are you doing to protect the children in your care from becoming part of the growing numbers of detransitioners harmed by gender identity affirmation?

After numerous emails, a couple of phone calls and several in-person meetings I have now had confirmation of the new PSHE curriculum.

Resources are drawn heavily from Transgender Trend. It is made clear that not everyone believes in, or considers they have, a gender identity. Cis and queer will be taught as controversial terms which should not be applied to others. Gender will be taught as social and cultural expectations placed on individuals because of their sex. Gender identity will not be casually slipped into other subjects as impartiality on the subject will be impressed on all subject teachers.

And what I'm most pleased with - No child will be able to self-declare a trans identity. Any child questioning their 'gender' will be referred to safeguarding for appropriate clinical referrals to be made.

A big thank you to the posters on this board for providing information and links and giving me the confidence to challenge this and showing how important it is.

And a reminder that we can all make a difference by speaking out. I have been a lone voice on this matter with the school and it has taken ages but I have had a huge influence that will have impacted not just the 1500 pupils attending the school now but future intakes too, and all the staff who will now feel empowered to speak up, whether they are full-on gender critical or just a little concerned about things.

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EveEveander · 01/12/2022 21:01

Great thread

pattihews · 27/11/2022 15:46

InterestingUsernameTBC · 27/11/2022 15:31

It's in their glossary of terms:

www.stonewall.org.uk/list-lgbtq-terms

Trans
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

Thanks for supplying the link. One you start introducing the concept of AGP people very quickly start to think more carefully.

DameMaud · 27/11/2022 15:35

InterestingUsernameTBC · 27/11/2022 15:31

It's in their glossary of terms:

www.stonewall.org.uk/list-lgbtq-terms

Trans
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

Oh yes! Don't know how I missed that. Thanks Interesting.

Those tweets!! 🙄

InterestingUsernameTBC · 27/11/2022 15:31

DameMaud · 27/11/2022 14:44

@pattihews . Pls can you point me in the direction of the stonewall link re Cross dressing. Can't find it! Agreed. Very important and useful.

It's in their glossary of terms:

www.stonewall.org.uk/list-lgbtq-terms

Trans
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

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InterestingUsernameTBC · 27/11/2022 15:27

Princessglittery · 27/11/2022 09:23

twitter.com/setoacnna/status/1596259452033896451?s=61&t=wcCpe9GPGPOhJeuS1bCDxA

@InterestingUsernameTBC I hope the link above is the link @KittensNotMittens was referring to.

Some tweets from that thread:

"Any child that deviates from accepted norms will be reeducated."
Erm, where does my post even hint at that!? That's exactly the opposite of my view.

If a cis girl identifies as a girl, we should refer them to safeguarding
??

This has proper upset me. I know it's 50:50 whether it's true or not, but the potential that some unknown 'sensitive' kid is going to be destroyed by this hateful rhetoric is awful
Some sensitive kid... destroyed, by what? Caring adults who say, 'look, there's nothing wrong with you, embrace your individuality.'

I can't believe the crankery of going around asking "how will you protect my not even trans child from becoming a detransitioner"?
What do they think the process is that leads to someone being a detransitioner?

Honestly, I just can't twist my mind round far enough to follow some of this logic.

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InterestingUsernameTBC · 27/11/2022 15:11

DameMaud · 26/11/2022 21:35

Was it IW by any chance ? Can you link Kittens?
(Can I get an autograph Interesting?)

Autograph, lol. You're funny DameMaud.

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DameMaud · 27/11/2022 14:44

@pattihews . Pls can you point me in the direction of the stonewall link re Cross dressing. Can't find it! Agreed. Very important and useful.

StellaAndCrow · 27/11/2022 14:38

Yes, as ever, they don't actually give a damn about children. And of course they don't follow the suicide reporting guidelines.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/11/2022 13:55

And no controls against all the other children who feel suicidal for all sorts of other reasons.

They will cause contagious suicide.

StellaAndCrow · 27/11/2022 13:45

F'ing hell that Twitter thread! They're salivating over possible suicides.
"If things like this happen we have to closely watch and somehow invesigate every single death that occurs in those schools, especially suicides. Sadly it won't take long and I think it's getting to the stage that we are going lose some friends. They can never be forgotten."

And after spending so long telling children that they ought to feel suicidal, and that everyone incl JKR hates them.

Princessglittery · 27/11/2022 13:29

pattihews · 27/11/2022 12:28

This is really, really important. I brought this subject up in conversation with a local councillor who said no, I was mistaken, it was a well-known sexual fetish but nothing to do with gender ideology. I went back with a sheaf of print-outs including Stonewall's list including cross-dressers and talked him through it. I said that this was what the lesbian community was up against — not people with dysphoria, people with a fetish. He was stunned and then said 'So that's why women are complaining about men in changing rooms?' I hope he's going to be involved in stopping the mixed-sex loo trend we have locally.

This is the subject that makes scales fall from eyes and jaws drop. Too many people think it's just mixed-up children and people with dysphoria who fall under the transgender flag. When they know the truth they're shocked.

And congratulations on all you've done with your school. Amazing work. Thank you.

Exactly, It’s the facts such as AGP and that you do not have to take cross sex hormones or have surgery to be trans etc. that make people stop and think.

Redburnett · 27/11/2022 12:31

Congratulations on your persistence and success!

pattihews · 27/11/2022 12:28

InterestingUsernameTBC · 25/11/2022 13:11

And I actually did talk about AGP. Education guidelines say school have to teach the facts about gender identity. I asked what were the facts and pointed out that one fact is that AGP is a motivation for some male transitioners. Cue furious scribbles from PSHE lead to Google later. Wonder how he found that....

This is really, really important. I brought this subject up in conversation with a local councillor who said no, I was mistaken, it was a well-known sexual fetish but nothing to do with gender ideology. I went back with a sheaf of print-outs including Stonewall's list including cross-dressers and talked him through it. I said that this was what the lesbian community was up against — not people with dysphoria, people with a fetish. He was stunned and then said 'So that's why women are complaining about men in changing rooms?' I hope he's going to be involved in stopping the mixed-sex loo trend we have locally.

This is the subject that makes scales fall from eyes and jaws drop. Too many people think it's just mixed-up children and people with dysphoria who fall under the transgender flag. When they know the truth they're shocked.

And congratulations on all you've done with your school. Amazing work. Thank you.

NImumconfused · 27/11/2022 11:47

TheseCowsAreSmall · 26/11/2022 13:26

Absolutely agree. I'm in awe and thankful to our sisters in the UK for stepping forward, laying the groundwork and developing resources for us to use when our time comes!

I actually think this is one case in which NI being a bit behind the times will benefit us, in that our health services are not yet captured in the same way as the rest of the UK - we can still talk about women being at risk of cervical cancer etc.

Hopefully by the time things start to move in that direction there will be enough evidence of harms from other parts of the UK that it will act as a brake.

Schools I'm not so sure about, I think at my son's there have been a few trans kids and the school has gone along with it in terms of uniform and pronouns at least, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't with the knowledge and consent of the parents. I don't get the impression there are lots of them at this stage though, just the odd one or two.

sashh · 27/11/2022 11:44

Well done.

RaininginDarling · 27/11/2022 10:54

Well done, OP 👏

Cattenberg · 27/11/2022 09:44

Not sure where the random “He” came from!

Cattenberg · 27/11/2022 09:43

I remember that this person used to scour Mumsnet for wrong-think and would often post snippets out of context, “responding” to them on her Twitter thread, but not on here, unsurprisingly.

I won’t be sad if Twitter implodes. It is a strange, unsavoury, cliquey place and I don’t think it increases the sum of human knowledge. He

KittensNotMittens · 27/11/2022 09:39

Bingo!

Princessglittery · 27/11/2022 09:23

twitter.com/setoacnna/status/1596259452033896451?s=61&t=wcCpe9GPGPOhJeuS1bCDxA

@InterestingUsernameTBC I hope the link above is the link @KittensNotMittens was referring to.

DameMaud · 26/11/2022 23:21

Ah ok. Cheers Kittens

KittensNotMittens · 26/11/2022 22:26

Sorry I can’t find it - it was a shot if the page - the Ann Coates bee/insect person. And by the sounds of it American Tweenies.

DameMaud · 26/11/2022 21:35

Was it IW by any chance ? Can you link Kittens?
(Can I get an autograph Interesting?)

WindyHedges · 26/11/2022 20:57

KittensNotMittens · 26/11/2022 17:24

Yes there was a screenshot of the OP with much squeeking and wailing.

How pathetic.

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2022 20:39

Most of what comes out of Twitter can be safely ignored, thankfully.

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