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BBC acknowledges that 'gender neutral' could 'could actually result in less equality'

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JellySaurus · 25/11/2022 07:30

^As a result, women could have a higher hill to climb to score a win.
In the long-term, it's not hard to imagine the outrage if a decision like this led to a repeated loss of recognition for worthy winners, particularly women.^

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63741519

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TheMarzipanDildo · 25/11/2022 13:53

I was recently at a dinner party where 50% of the guests (all female) were NB. I wanted to know what they thought made them different to me (I didn’t actually ask, because I don’t have a social death wish)

Do they think I’ve got a special lady brain?

Truthlikeness · 25/11/2022 13:34

IcakethereforeIam · 25/11/2022 09:31

What's non binary about a metal, badly fitted, bra with trumpet nipples?

I think it's supposed to be a beige balloon

tilder · 25/11/2022 11:46

AdamRyan · 25/11/2022 09:11

Corrin, pictured at the Olivier Awards earlier this year, says "being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity"

Eh?? What is it then?

Quite.

A single gender neutral category to replace 2 sex based categories might be inclusive of those who reject being male and female. Its still exclusive of 50% of those who used to qualify.

With women more likely to be excluded than men. Because sexism. Plus the interesting reason in the article, linking a male lead to best picture (sexism again?).

ShamedBySiri · 25/11/2022 11:40

Meanwhile Eddie Izzard appears to have landed the role of Sherlock's daughter.
Who knows whether this will be in girl mode or boy mode or even adult mode 🤷‍♀️

Eddie Izzard lands Sherlock role for new drama series
mol.im/a/11467379

BBC acknowledges that 'gender neutral' could 'could actually result in less equality'
Chersfrozenface · 25/11/2022 11:26

BetterCallMe · 25/11/2022 11:10

EC: I'm non-binary and I want to be seen, anything else is triggering.

Rest of the sane world: boo fucking hoo.

Get in line with your triggering, I want to be accepted in a way that's aligned with how I feel!

I want to be accepted as a worthwhile human being, valued for my contributions to society, not judged by the colour of my skin, by the size of my boobs, by the way I speak and sound. Guess what, my desires are rarely, if ever granted. Get in line behind the rest of womanhood, before you continue bleating on about how being non- binary makes your desires extra special.

Fuming over. For now.

👏

BetterCallMe · 25/11/2022 11:10

EC: I'm non-binary and I want to be seen, anything else is triggering.

Rest of the sane world: boo fucking hoo.

Get in line with your triggering, I want to be accepted in a way that's aligned with how I feel!

I want to be accepted as a worthwhile human being, valued for my contributions to society, not judged by the colour of my skin, by the size of my boobs, by the way I speak and sound. Guess what, my desires are rarely, if ever granted. Get in line behind the rest of womanhood, before you continue bleating on about how being non- binary makes your desires extra special.

Fuming over. For now.

nilsmousehammer · 25/11/2022 10:59

Your gender identity is so much to do with how you feel and it ties into so much of how you want to be seen or are seen by people and that can be very triggering or can make you uncomfortable if you don't feel you are being seen honestly or correctly.

Only if you're a very special TQ+ person, Emma. If you're a mere biological female no one gives a fuck about how you feel, or want to be seen, or are seen by people, or how triggering and uncomfortable all this makes you, or whether you are being seen honestly and correctly.

When this is demanded of females, to provide without any reciprocation or equality to let's face it exclusively TQ+ male people (because the female TQ+ ones aren't involved here) this is sexism and coercive and many characteristics of an abusive relationship .

Zeugma · 25/11/2022 10:55

midgetastic · 25/11/2022 09:54

How you want to be seen

Most criminals want to be seen as innocent. And I I guess it's very triggering for them when the judge doesn't see it that way

The pesky thing about RL is that we just can’t control how other people see us, however desperately we might want to.

AdamRyan · 25/11/2022 10:35

I wonder if Corin is also expecting mens roles
Will be interesting to see what happens if a female NB got "best actor" as they had a man's role

Maybe the next James Bond could be a NB female

deeperthanallroses · 25/11/2022 10:13

They said they did not worry that being so up front would limit the kind of roles they got offered in the future.
"I would never sacrifice integrity or honesty because of work that I may or may not get. My being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity or my femininity in any way. It's sort of an embrace of that.
"I still want to play women, my experience on this earth has been a female one - and now it's sort of a very fluid one."
its just really triggering to be nominated for a womens award. But I do expect to keep being offered amazing female roles… yeah whatever. This is a really simple fix, if you don’t want the womens awards, decline the female roles.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/11/2022 10:09

When it comes to categories, do we need to make it specific as to whether you're being nominated for a female role or a male role?

No, I agree with that - quite a lot of roles are not ones that must be played by one sex or the other. Orlando is a particularly obvious example which explicitly doesn't fit the 'male or female role' model. The categories should simply be according to the sex of the actor, which is fully inclusive regardless of 'gender' or lack thereof. The reason for having the two sexed categories is because females are - maybe due to unconscious biases or casting decisions or whatever - still liable to be significantly underrepresented if there's just one category.

NotBadConsidering · 25/11/2022 10:02

AdamRyan · 25/11/2022 09:11

Corrin, pictured at the Olivier Awards earlier this year, says "being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity"

Eh?? What is it then?

We are so often told what all of these identities are not, but we are never told what they actually are.

midgetastic · 25/11/2022 09:54

How you want to be seen

Most criminals want to be seen as innocent. And I I guess it's very triggering for them when the judge doesn't see it that way

Boiledbeetle · 25/11/2022 09:48

EC: "Your gender identity is so much to do with how you feel and it ties into so much of how you want to be seen or are seen by people and that can be very triggering or can make you uncomfortable if you don't feel you are being seen honestly or correctly"

honestly how do people like this actually mange to get out of bed and interact with the world.

Why is everything triggering?

NecessaryScene · 25/11/2022 09:34

I would never sacrifice integrity or honesty

I'm not sure these words mean what she thinks they mean.

I'm picturing a toddler patiently explaining why they can't take their hand out of the cookie jar.

Chersfrozenface · 25/11/2022 09:32

Acting is a precarious profession.

A hypothetical female actor might wish to claim/embrace non-binaryness when auditioning for or playing a certain role or in a particular production, but declare that she was not rejecting her femininity in the hope of getting traditional female roles in future.

IcakethereforeIam · 25/11/2022 09:31

What's non binary about a metal, badly fitted, bra with trumpet nipples?

OldCrone · 25/11/2022 09:25

AdamRyan · 25/11/2022 09:11

Corrin, pictured at the Olivier Awards earlier this year, says "being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity"

Eh?? What is it then?

It's a special identity which makes her special and not like all the other boring women who don't have a special identity.

Zeugma · 25/11/2022 09:15

If they is so agonised by the impossible difficulty of their 'journey' and the terrible ever-present danger of being triggered by us uncomprehending mere mortals not understanding how triggering it can be for themselves to play female roles despite ''sort of celebrating' their femininity'……might I suggest that maybe acting isn’t the job for them (selves)?

I bet there's a really fun-filled atmosphere on set when they is around.

AdamRyan · 25/11/2022 09:11

Corrin, pictured at the Olivier Awards earlier this year, says "being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity"

Eh?? What is it then?

waterwitch · 25/11/2022 08:56

334bu - agreeing with you, that before making awards non-binary, there should be equal access to good quality roles for me & women and for all ages. Maybe EC would better spend her time campaigning for that as a step towards her goals?

nauticant · 25/11/2022 08:52

Apparently it's upsetting for Emma to be nominated for acting awards in the female category when that doesn't match her special identity.

The way to solve the risk of her being upset is for everything to be made gender neutral.

nauticant · 25/11/2022 08:50

Emma Corrin is on the Today programme right now going on about their special identity. (They's in a stage production of Orlando.) This stuff really is tiresome.

tresleches · 25/11/2022 08:41

There's a play currently being advertised by the National Theatre for Scotland boasting an "all-woman and non-binary cast". Why am I not surprised that gender ideology thrives in theatre and its marketing

Chersfrozenface · 25/11/2022 08:30

I've recently seen a casting call for a production somewhere obscure in London where the requirements, for the entire cast, were for "non binary female presenting" and "non binary male presenting" actors.