Please help me understand. He/Him pronouns but female presenting?

Would love someone who subscribes to the genderbreadesque trinity of sex, gender expression and gender identity, all valid but different, explain why it is that the spaces, opportunities, services and rights that were set up to be segregated by sex to provide protection and empowerment for women in a sexist society suddenly have to be segregated by gender identity instead?

Given that unlike sex and gender expression, gender identities have no agreed common features and cannot be perceived from the outside, and that sexism is fundamentally about how others perceive you, surely of the three gender identity should matter least to what impacts ones life in a sexist society.

That’s genius.

we should all try that on our next work related Zoom call

’She/Her but in a fun, non-middle aged LGBTQIA2S++ way’

There's a girl at my children's school that says in her tumblr (or Instagram, not sure) bio "pronouns: she/her, but in a fun, non-binary way". She posts TikTok videos where she rants about those evil cis-het bitches with their privilege oppressing people like her. It's beyond tedious. Easier to also have special pronouns rather than being the target of these rants.

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This is excellent news. Looks as if the Genderbread person has bitten its creators on the bum!

Exactly!
Perhaps more of us should declare ourselves men. I have genuinely never "felt" like a woman inside, so if we're going to be forced to accept the TRA view as reality, it's the only logical conclusion.

It's just super trendy.
I very much doubt your DD even has gender dysphoria.
The correct response to this fad is to say "that's nice dear" and ignore it.

But Dadjoke, you believe transwomen are women etc. So how can you object to transwomen living as women, since that's what they want to do? Or are you finally admitting that the genderist gospel of pink brains and blue brains, with doll-loving boys being secretly female, and train-loving girls being secretly male, is just a load of nonsense? As feminists have always said?

I think your ideology has just disappeared up its own arse.

This is excellent news. Looks as if the Genderbread person has bitten its creators on the bum!

This allows girls to call themselves boys without any pressure to harm themselves with drugs or breast binders or surgery. They can dress up or not as they wish.

The downside is that it gives boys and men even easier access to all women's and girls' spaces. But they're taking this already anyway.

Let's hope this gives gender-questioning teens a safe pathway through to maturity without falling prey to physical harm.

Observation from my experience: The pronouns adjust back with most of them when they are ready to have relationships with the opposite/same sex. It’s a way for girls, particularly, to keep boys away. By 6th form, the die-hards are in a little vocal clique that everyone smiles, nods and keeps out of the way of, incase they say the wrong thing.

I think that it’s indicative of a “I’m not like other (dumb, silly, shallow, boy mad) girls!” type mindset, which has long been present in teen girls but is still disturbing. Suggests something is wrong with the way society sees teen girls.

They’re taking the piss OP. This is how the whole ridiculous business will eat itself.

It’s such a sexist over-complication isn’t it?

It’s weird for us (GC or believers in biology) because when we say “she” we are simply referring to chromosomes, not appearance/personality/souls, but we understand that that’s not really the case for gender ideologues- however much they protest that gender expression and gender identity are different. So this seems like having your cake and eating it.

We're talking about children - not transsexual adults.

So, you explain: gender identity is not determined by or connected with sex; it is nothing to do with gender expression; it may or may not correlate with gender traditions. Hmm.

I know what sex is; likewise I understand gender expression in the sense of the expression of stereotypes societally associated with sex (or 'associated with gender', if 'gender' and 'sex' are understood to be synonymous).

But, help me out here. What is gender, if 'gender' is not synonymous with 'sex'?

And what is gender identity, given the constraints you offer?

I suspect you of being unable to explain coherently and non-circularly. In fact I'm sure you don't understand, because, to be blunt, this gender identity stuff is incapable of being understood; it's just nonsense from top to bottom.

Are you prepared to have a go at confounding my suspicions?

[Probably not, because transphobia or something.]

So many facets of 'gender'. So little clarity.

@MCbadgelore has already explained about the 'genderbread person' theory of gender identity and gender expression, which reduces 'gender identity' to a feeling in someone's head with no relationship to either their sex or the way they dress or behave. This seems to reduce 'gender identity' to nothing but a demand to be referred to by a specific set of pronouns.

Boys and girls can wear what they want. Often this correlates with what is traditional for their gender, but often it doesn't.

Do you mean 'sex' here, rather than 'gender'? If you mean 'gender', do you mean 'gender identity' or 'gender expression' or some other subset of 'gender'?

It's a travesty (no pun intended) that transgender people have to "live as" the gender they are in order to get a GRC.

What does this mean? How does someone 'live as' a gender? Do you mean they have to have a specific 'gender expression'? Because that isn't required for a GRC. In terms of 'living as' a gender, all that's required for a GRC is to change the name and title on their utility bills to those more appropriate for the opposite sex.

And when you say the 'gender they are' what do you mean? Is that the same as their 'gender identity'? How does anyone know what gender they are if it is unrelated to either their sex or their 'gender expression'?

Sorry OP, this doesn't help you at all, but I couldn't ignore all the 'gender they are' nonsense.

don’t understand how this doesn’t trigger their dysphoria?

Likeliest explanation is that they don't have dysphoria, I'd have thought.

It's a travesty (no pun intended) that transgender people have to "live as" the gender they are in order to get a GRC.

Yeah... not in the way that poster meant though.

Latest teen trend - but it's to fulfill the human need to feel part of a group but with the typical teen twist of needing to be 'different'. They'll grow out of it.

Dd aged 19 has a lot of friends like this at university. We are supportive and obviously use their requested pronouns but I do find it hard to get my head round. Her closest friend presents as completely female, has a boyfriend and yet goes by a male name, identifies as non binary and uses “they” and insists they are in, what they call, a “queer relationship”, which I find hard to understand as they are to all extents and purposes female and their partner is male…!

Gender identity and gender expression are not the same. Boys and girls can wear what they want. Often this correlates with what is traditional for their gender, but often it doesn't. It's a travesty (no pun intended) that transgender people have to "live as" the gender they are in order to get a GRC.

Hugs,
Transgender trend and safe schools alliance have a lot of resources and experienced people to talk this through with.

Bottom line may be making it clear that girls can wear anything, have any job and play with any toy. And maybe consider what you wear and say for a while to show your daughter that female stereotypes are bullshit.
A double mastectomy is not required.
It's illegal for her school to have done this without your consent. Double check they haven't been sent breast binders or testosterone via the school and are not being groomed online by mermaids.

You might want to listen to some of the Stella O'Malley and Sasha Ayad podcasts Gender a Wider Lens They are both psychologists who've done a lot of work with gender-questioning teenagers (especially girls) and their familes and they have a lot of insights into why young girls do this and experience of how it plays out.

Genderbread person:

It’s a thing, currently.

Check out the sub Reddit called ‘FtM femininity’

It’s the inevitable result of the genderbread person being taught as fact. If sex can be different to gender identity and gender identity can be different to gender expression then yes, of course it’s possible to be (and look) female and wear stereotypical female clothes yet still be ‘male’ in one’s head.

And as pronouns are supposedly personal and decided by the referent rather than the speaker, the end result is a female person who appears female in every way but insists on being described as male.

(which teens love because it gives them power over parents/teachers/other adults - the power to report said adults to authorities for ‘misgendering’)

Is there a chance she's taking the piss to get the school to pay her some attention?