How can you be trans and non binary?

You'd think in the 4+ years I've been on here asking that question, at least one single person might have attempted a reply, wouldn't you?

They can't. They don't know, or they don't want to say, but it's vitally important that everyone update their definitions to this undefinable unknowable concept to avoid being transphobic.

As I've said many a time - if you want to redefine the words, sure, give the new definition and we can at least see what 'woman' is supposed to even refer to. Never happens. I use a fluid definition myself- today, if someone isn't using it to mean 'adult female', I assume 'woman' means 'person of either sex who dropped bolognese on their jumper today'. All women have that as a common factor. Could be veggie or meat bolognese, it's an inclusive term.

Tomorrow's definition is 'person of either sex who unexpectedly found £1 at the bottom of their bag or briefcase'.

I see 'bigot' and 'hatred' are the new 'vile' and 'fascist' which were the new 'funded by the Christian right wing' and 'slur'.

I find it really interesting how the TRAs use this deliberately emotive language to try and discredit people who simply disagree. I wonder, do they see how it just takes the power out of those words and renders them meaningless due to inappropriate mis-use? I mean if someone called me a vile TERF a few years back I'd have felt a bit stung. Now I just laugh. As PP said, it's all they've got left as everyone can see the queer idealogy is just based on trying to make normal, complicated human beings who are either male or female seem special and interesting when they're mostly just normal, boring or inadequate in some way (or a teenager).

COULDNT HUV PUT IT BETTER MASELF

I've never met anyone binary but then I don't mix with very old fashioned highly conservative people.

Before we can forgive trans ideologists they need to apologise for all the harm they've caused to women and girls.

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There is damage associated with nonbinary identities. A friend of mine now has a nonbinary spouse. There are a lot of incidents and emotional support required leading up to that identity declaration, and I can't say the outcome so far is exactly a shining example of happy functionality. I'm seeing my friend bend until she almost breaks under the weight of it all. I suppose as a coping strategy it genuinely does beat alcohol, drugs or gambling.

If man doesn't mean male and woman doesn't mean female, what exactly do these words mean?

Sorry help not belt, bloody autocorrect

wow what a lot of bigoted hatred you have inside.

justtellingthetruth it is not hatred to point out that something makes no sense or is untrue. It might be painful, but if gender ideologists don’t want people to point out inconsistencies and untruths, they don’t have to insist on them, and even worse insist other people accept them, in the first place.

please seek help and learn to foregive

Forgive what? Are you saying you agree that an ideology that tries to force people to believe and say things that aren’t true is actually doing something wrong?

I have no issue with people with dysphoria about their sex, any more than I have issues with people with other types of body dysmorphia, anorexia etc. I think they should get belt and treatment. I think most people who criticise gender ideology also have nothing against and do not “hate” people with dysphoria.

However it is normal to strongly dislike being told what to think when it goes against all sense and logic and evidence, and being bullied for having a protected and reasonable “belief”, I.e. an evidence-based understanding that humans can’t change sex and that many people are suffering from this ideology being adopted and pushed by the mainstream. Children and young people who identify as trans are among those who are being harmed and who we want to protect.

People being annoyed at being expected to believe nonsense doesn’t mean they hate trans people. A conflation and lie that is regularly used to shut us up and is then believed by others who haven’t thought it through.

think about it. Why exactly would left wing lesbians and feminists suddenly become hate-filled bigots? Can you explain?

No idea. People who make these assertions about themselves are exhausting. I can’t be bothered to do the mental gymnastics to work it out.

Basically, it means they’re Very Special Indeed.

Announcing to the world that you are 'non-binary' immediately sets up a binary.

All those other sexualities are generally just attempts to put an 'identity' on most people's normal experiences.

To pick one at random:

Burst or Burstsexual/Burstromantic is an a-spec identity where one is normally completely asexual or aromantic but occasionally experiences sudden, short bursts of attraction. It could be considered an alternate word for arospike/acespike. It can be combined with other identities.

Yeah, that's most young people.

I once knew a guy who made a big deal about being dual nationality and having a French mum. He was clearly (in his mind) so much better than us boring Brits (especially the Northern ones).

someone else said of him, slightly sadly “deep down he’s just really normal”.

that seems to sum all this up to me.

Oh the irony of telling someone normal to seek help when it's the trans population that are demanding we provide "help" by validating this nonsense and funding unlimited medical "help".

The better question is , how does any of it make sense ?
I get trans, non binary and gender fluid but the rest makes absolutely no sense at all. Don't get me started on the multitude of other sexualities. It's like a pick and mix.

Wholeheartedly agree with this.

Bonkers. Absolute pile of tosh.

"Biologically female penis". Really?

You can't argue with stupid.

So, basically, everyone who isn’t trans is non-binary.

It’s only trans people who are fixated on binary stereotypes.

I like long hair - I must be a girl.

I like football - I just be a boy.

No. You’re you. Whatever sex you are, you’re just you. You’re allowed to like, or dress, or be, however you want. You’re still you, in your male or female body. And you can like and / or be WHATEVER YOU WANT.

Everyone is non-binary when it comes to gender.

Everyone has a male or female body.

wow what a lot of bigoted hatred you have inside.

This is all they have left.

And in fact, this is part of the problem. When everything you don't agree with is transphobic, when everything so-called terfs say is bigoted hatred.... you have lost the power to call out real transphobia and real bigoted hatred.

With a username like Justellingthetruth you should appreciate ^NoflowersforEmilys* honest description.

There is nothing bigoted about their post.

You are trying to make sense of an ideology that is nonsense from start to finish.

Don't waste your time and energy. Direct it instead towards fighting for women's single sex spaces.

@NoFlowersForEmily

wow what a lot of bigoted hatred you have inside.

the way you say all this speaks to issues you appear to what the world to see you have.

so reacting to the clues - please seek help and learn to foregive

good luck

I think of non binary as being used by those who think 'I want to be special but I don't want to admit who I'm actually attracted to, or what sex I want people to think I am because that wouldn't be special enough'.

You can be a non binary (really a woman) who happens to wear a dress dating a non binary (really a man) who happens to wear trousers & both say you are special non binary people, even though you are the worlds most boringly obvious heterosexual couple.

You can be 2 non binary same sex people who think that somehow makes them more special than if they were normal lesbians or gay men.
and so on for every relationship permutation.

Basically, whatever you do as a non binary person is a copy of something that other people in other normally defined relationships already do/are.
You just use a different word which apparently makes it completely different.

I love this thread. Was actually laughing - but it’s actually quite tragic society is indulging this madness.

I mean OP there are so many holes in gender ideology and this is exactly why they don’t want to debate it. It doesn’t stand up to logic and scrutiny.

Another one which will have you scratching your head - why do adult trans people want self id which makes it super easy for them to transition with no hormones or surgery. And that’s fine right. Whereas they are super quick to throw the pre pubescent teenagers onto puberty blockers and down the surgical route. Scratched my head over that one.

It's because they're putting everyone else into a gender stereotypes box (aka cis) but not them because they're too much of an individual.
It's all incredibly self-absorbed imo.
I can understand it in teenagers who're going through that phase but in adults it's just plain immature.