How can you be trans and non binary?

Every single thing about trans ideology ends up boiling down to offensive, regressive, harmful sexist stereotypes. Often with a heap of misogyny - and sometimes, for good measure, homophobia - thrown in.

And the fact that people are expected to kowtow to this, and are labeled ‘hateful bigots’ or TERFS if they don’t, is mind-blowing.

but the point is this person is identifying as/ transitioned to the opposite sex/ gender so surely they can't be nb. They're presenting as very much binary/ female.

I agree with you, but within the ideology, the point isn't that they've transitioned to the opposite sex (I know you can't actually do that anyway, but YKWIM), but just that they've "transitioned" out of their birth sex to the nebulous in-between category so questionable titled "non-binary".

Sex is binary, and even if you think DSD conditions make it non-binary, if you don't have one of those and are for example female, you can't just opt out of femaleness.

Or if they're talking about gender and not sex - gender meaning stereotypes and expectations associated with sex, and which combination of those an individual may choose for themselves - well that's not binary, it's ever changing and different for everyone. And loads of non-trans-IDing people including me are fully "non-binary" in terms of gender and have been for decades. So that makes no sense either.

I’m trying to work out what “male and female experiences” are. Apart from things that arise as a result of our biology eg menstruating blood or ejaculating semen, what experiences are either male or female?

Yes. You can only have a male or female experience by having a male or female body or body function. The only other way to have a "male" experience if you're female, is to be so breathtakingly, regressively sexist that you think something like doing a male dominated job or hobby, or enjoying something targeted at males, is a male experience rather than something anyone can do if they ignore stereotypes.

I’m trying to work out what “male and female experiences” are. Apart from things that arise as a result of our biology eg menstruating blood or ejaculating semen, what experiences are either male or female?

Cos words. When black is white and white is black. And black is black, and white is white. Then everything is everything and also nothing. So you may as well translate as syfjnebdgaiofnfbevshuikencbdgshj shdudjvbfhdjsjsnc dhfhgignendgsgdujfngfb dnchfhidjd ndhfhfjdjdn hdhfhfjrnendhsjk dhfhfidjndhfh gibihndhsgyffjn dhfhdjfjfnfjdjcn. Dhfhdjsj!

It's just an aesthetic.

Like any other throughout history in human culture.

It appears to wield political power. Like some have in the past in human culture (generally linked to religion.)

There is no such thing as non binary, it's a made up pile of bullshit. HTH.

I have an acquaintance. A biological woman. Dresses like a woman. Has a feminine hairstyle. Wears make up. Has birthed children. But keeps posting on SM about being non-binary and uses pronouns she/they. I genuinely do not understand how this works. Says she/they do not identify as woman but I don't really go through life 'identifying' myself either. Everybody else has been able to guess without any issues though.
She/they have posted on SM that she/they have had both female and male experiences. I have known her/them for good quarter of a century and at no time has/have she/they acted and looked anything but stereotypical female. She/they is/are also asexual lesbian. I honestly think she/they need/s a hobby.

But to cut through this; You are you. Being you doesn't require anything special, just be you.

Also, if being trans is "where sex doesn't match your gender" - which genders match any sex, if being female/male isn't a requirement for any gender? They're nothing to do with each other, so how can they 'match' or 'align' or 'correspond'?

@LaughingPriest I have repeatedly asked people to describe the characteristics of the gender/gender identity which supposedly "matches" having a biologically female body, and no one can explain.

Did you ask what the mean? Would be helpful if you did and post the response here.

Because it gets you more attention having more than one label?

Exactly.
Also, if being trans is "where sex doesn't match your gender" - which genders match any sex, if being female/male isn't a requirement for any gender? They're nothing to do with each other, so how can they 'match' or 'align' or 'correspond'?

In order to say that the female sex matches the 'woman' gender you are basing your whole definition on the assumption that there is something female about a woman. While also denying that there is anything female about a woman.

So, presumably, sex 'female' and gender 'woman' don't match. How anyone works out they're trans without the list of matching sexes and gender I'll never comprehend. Not a single genderist will say what they are, though.

Things were far more easy to understand when 'trans' meant 'a strong wish to be the opposite sex'. I get that and am sympathetic to it.

Thanks for summing it up so neatly! I would add that the whole trans ideology rests on this too.

The "Burstromantic" thing (and all the other similar nonsense) is ridiculous. It's so obviously "Ooooh noooo, I'm straight and boring, how can I be "queer"? - let's just make up dozens of "gender identities" to match entirely normal personality variations". They are so obviously, face-palmingly MADE UP.

What gets me is why anyone takes any of it seriously, especially institutions, governments and employers. I mean things like astrology and birthstones and whatever are similarly a pile of bunk in scientific terms, but some people get something out of them so fine. I have nothing against that at all because it's not being forced on me. Why can't we treat genderwoo the same? Why has announcing you're a special category that was made up last week - and somehow magically ARE that special, unproveable thing and so are oppressed and need to be prioritised above all others, including actually disadvantaged people - become a thing that's seen as real?

To answer the OP, non-binary people are "trans" because - in the parlance - they don't "identify" with their "gender assigned at birth" (i.e. sex). It is a way to get the kudos of being "trans" without any particular commitment to any changes at all - which I think is good in one way, that people are avoiding the harms of surgery etc (at least in some cases).

(and when I say kudos I'm not just being sneery - "coming out as NB" makes you "marginalised" and "under-represented" in many fields, especially creative industries, and can give you a huge advantage - I see this all the time in publishing)

But all of us who already didn't identify with a binary gender stereotype and stick to it rigidly - which is almost everyone - knows it doesn't make you special in any way.

The thing is that without a new definition of "woman" and "man", I don't know whether I am one, or the other, or something else entirely.

If a woman is a female person, I know that I am one.

If a woman is something other than a female person but no one can explain what one actually is, how do I know whether I am one or not?

If the word "woman" can have two alternative meanings, one being "female person" and the other being something else, we are using the same word to describe two completely separate groups of people. This is problematic in terms of communication, because it means the word can no longer be used to clearly identify which group of people we are talking about. It's also potentially problematic in terms of women's spaces and women's sports.

If the group of people in "women: female people meaning" and "women: alternative meaning" don't actually have anything in common, what is the logic for them sharing women's spaces and women's sports? Surely you'd be better off abolishing single sex spaces and sports altogether, rather than arguing for "women: female people meaning" and "women: alternative meaning" to share.

He missed out the bit about being a cat at weekends.

Exactly!😁

There is not one person who claims to be non binary who has not accessed social media.

Non binary re-asserts a binary.

Them and us.

They're basically the yuppies of the 21st c.

But the motivation isn't investments and shares now, it's likes and shares.

It's a load of narcissistic bullshit. That's why.

PMSL at 'Burstromantic' 😂

Also, why/who are you advising we forgive PP? What has any trans person done to me that I am supposed to be pissed off about and need to forgive them?

I mean the movement has done extensibe damage to women and young people, collectively, and I'm pretty annoyed about that but I don't blame any individual trans person, especially as many of them are just getting on with their lives.and not actively campaining to harm women and young people.

Whatever happened to Jess Bradley? Must have graduated by now? Boring accountant?

It's lovely that even someone who thinks we are bigoted can take the time to come here and demonstrate that even they don't know the answer to the OP.

Both sides are equal in that respect!