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Welsh Parliament tweet re Trans Remembrance day

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badbaduncle · 20/11/2022 18:07

Except no Trans people in Wales have been murdered, as many people point out:
twitter.com/SeneddWales/status/1594254477577666562

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TheBiologyStupid · 22/11/2022 11:55

DworkinWasRight · 20/11/2022 19:30

Webbe has a criminal conviction, so isn’t a massively reliable source of info.

Indeed! 'On 28 September 2020, Webbe was charged with harassment of a woman between 1 September 2018 and 26 April 2020. She was placed on unconditional bail to appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court. She was suspended from the Labour whip pending the outcome of the case. On 11 November 2020, Webbe pleaded not guilty. The harassment was directed at a woman who was having an affair with her partner, and allegedly included a threat to send 'naked' photographs of the victim to her children. The threats also allegedly included Webbe saying "You should be acid".

Webbe was found guilty on 13 October 2021. District Judge Paul Goldspring, the Chief Magistrate, said her evidence was "untruthful", and that her defence was "vague, incoherent and at times illogical".'

An appeal was dismissed in May 2022, but her sentence was reduced: 'The judge found that Webbe had not "made a threat to throw acid over" Michelle Merritt. The judge stated Merritt was an "unsatisfactory witness" who had "told lies".'

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Webbe#Harassment_conviction

TheBiologyStupid · 22/11/2022 10:58

PermanentTemporary · 20/11/2022 22:01

I'd love to hear a positive message about trans people being safe in Wales. Would make more sense.

Indeed, but that would undermine the narrative of "the most victimised and vulnerable". There must be a reason why TRAs want to keep young gender-non-conforming people fearful...

sourdoughismyreligion · 22/11/2022 10:00

PermanentTemporary · 20/11/2022 22:01

I'd love to hear a positive message about trans people being safe in Wales. Would make more sense.

Yes, trans people are a very safe demographic in the west. If you happen to be trans, engaged in prostitution and living in Brazil - then yes, I'd have to concede, you are at risk of violent murder, but that might be because of the industry you're working in and not specifically because you're trans.

I am gobsmacked by the number of white middle class students or young professionals with special identities, living in the UK where there hasn't been a single murder of a trans person since 2019, pretending they have the same risk of violent death as a transwoman working as a prostitute in Brazil.

Why the fearmongering? Why is there so much time and energy being spent convincing this particular group of people that everyone wants them dead?

Rightsraptor · 21/11/2022 06:06

Quite right, @Justellingthetruth, we do have a problem here with the erasure and eradication of women. No doubt you'll be back to explain to us how wrong we are.

Someone up thread points out that the Senned Tweet doesn't mention Wales and it's a worldwide day of remembrance. Are there any other worldwide days the Senned and others mark, even though their own country is unaffected?

I remember reading a comment by a black American TW in the sex industry. They had realised that the US murder rate for people like them had been greatly exaggerated (which I've read elsewhere too) and were very angry because it had made them feel unsafe unnecessarily.

These ridiculous shows should end.

Justellingthetruth · 21/11/2022 01:48

@badbaduncle

nothing wrong with this day.
there does seem a huge problem on mn with this whole issue

AutumnCrow · 21/11/2022 01:38

I bet the same knobs are still roaring on the national teams in Qatar though, the bloody hypocrites.

LemonadeSunshine · 21/11/2022 00:37

The Welsh prats in power are a fucking embarrassment, completely tone deaf on every issue 😡

IcakethereforeIam · 20/11/2022 23:09

Disability History Month started on 16th November, I've had a quick look at the tweets from the Senedd and I can't see anything that they've tweeted about it. I'm not on twitter so I may have missed something.

I also had a look for #DisabilityHistoryMonth, alot of the tweets I found under that were people complaining how little notice there was of it.

I've had 'Yma o Hyd' (Still here) as an earworm for the past few days. I'm not complaining it's a cracking tune, and women, real women, despite everyone and everything are also still here. Anyway, the song introduced me to Dic Sion Dafydd. A Welsh man who went to London and denied his reality as a Welsh man, refusing to speak his native tongue even to his own mum. It struck a chord with me, but regarding women who support transpeople (which is laudable) but throw other women under the bus.

littlbrowndog · 20/11/2022 22:36

sourdoughismyreligion · 20/11/2022 18:47

Every TDOR I'm reminded of Bonhoeffer's theory of stupidity.

sproutsschools.com/bonhoeffers-theory-of-stupidity/

''It becomes apparent that every strong upsurge of power, be it of a political or religious nature, infects a large part of humankind with stupidity. Almost as if this is a sociological-psychological law where the power of the one needs the stupidity of the other.''

and

''The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us from the fact that he is not independent. In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with him as a person, but with slogans, catchwords, and the like that have taken possession of him.''

This is such a good explanation

ArabellaScott · 20/11/2022 22:22

It's very sad that Zen/Aidan Mann was murdered. A senseless waste of life. And any suicide is of course tragic.

ProfessionalIntegrity · 20/11/2022 22:09

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 20/11/2022 21:54

RCOT have gone completely bonkers since Steve Ford took over. It is all out woke. Hopefully he will find a new job soon and RCOT can go back to being a professional organisation rooted in science.

I hadn't made the connection with Steve Ford, but yes it has gone bonkers since then.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 20/11/2022 22:05

Meanwhile two women are murdered each week but what are the Welsh Government doing about that?

MrsJamin · 20/11/2022 22:01

tdor.translivesmatter.info/reports/tdor2022?country=all&category=all&view=list&filter= this is the source they are using. All 8 from the UK were suicides. How can they determine that any of these were solely because of transphobia? The Mayor is attending a big tdor event in Reading, it's absolutely ridiculous. The bowing of heads, the wringing of hands, all really pointless. What are they hoping to achieve?

PermanentTemporary · 20/11/2022 22:01

I'd love to hear a positive message about trans people being safe in Wales. Would make more sense.

badbaduncle · 20/11/2022 21:59

kareningalasmith.com/2021/04/21/counting-dead-trans-people/

Welsh Parliament tweet re Trans Remembrance day
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Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 20/11/2022 21:54

RCOT have gone completely bonkers since Steve Ford took over. It is all out woke. Hopefully he will find a new job soon and RCOT can go back to being a professional organisation rooted in science.

badbaduncle · 20/11/2022 21:53

I'd like a day of remembrance for these women: kareningalasmith.com/counting-dead-women/

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ProfessionalIntegrity · 20/11/2022 21:40

HilarysMantelpiece · 20/11/2022 20:35

Couldn't see anywhere else to put this....more of the same. "We remember those lives cut short by transphobia".
No names of those who's lives were cut short.... but a consistent message.

The RCOT have been completely captured.

waterwitch · 20/11/2022 21:21

*their not there

waterwitch · 20/11/2022 21:21

How many women have been murdered since last October? When is there Remembrance Day? Or are they just not as important 🙄

RoyalCorgi · 20/11/2022 20:36

Who the fuck are these people whose lives have been cut short by transphobia? Who? Name one single person. Just one.

HilarysMantelpiece · 20/11/2022 20:35

Couldn't see anywhere else to put this....more of the same. "We remember those lives cut short by transphobia".
No names of those who's lives were cut short.... but a consistent message.

Welsh Parliament tweet re Trans Remembrance day
DworkinWasRight · 20/11/2022 19:30

PigLightingBastard · 20/11/2022 18:17

Claudia Webbe MP reckons 8 people have been killed due to anti trans violence in the UK since last October: twitter.com/ClaudiaWebbe/status/1594263877201584135

Webbe has a criminal conviction, so isn’t a massively reliable source of info.

Pudmyboy · 20/11/2022 19:06

Also this quote: 'Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain'
Frederich Schiller

(I know it from the Azimov book 'the gods themselves')

sourdoughismyreligion · 20/11/2022 18:47

Every TDOR I'm reminded of Bonhoeffer's theory of stupidity.

sproutsschools.com/bonhoeffers-theory-of-stupidity/

''It becomes apparent that every strong upsurge of power, be it of a political or religious nature, infects a large part of humankind with stupidity. Almost as if this is a sociological-psychological law where the power of the one needs the stupidity of the other.''

and

''The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us from the fact that he is not independent. In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with him as a person, but with slogans, catchwords, and the like that have taken possession of him.''

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