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Alex Massie spells it out in the Times.

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ArabellaScott · 19/11/2022 21:32

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fc90146c-6813-11ed-bcd8-599592d95f22?shareToken=4aa8db330265c2db1083abbe9b53a6b5

Succint and clear.

'the Scottish government now believes a person may change their sex. Or, at any rate, it has argued in court that sex is no longer “immutable”. This is not true but, as so often in modern Scotland, reality must give way to fantasy.'

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DoloresTellUsStories · 20/11/2022 00:22

For example, take the original sentence: "Since she had not alerted the police to her change of address, she was arrested for breaching the conditions of her previous release."

Change that back to actual fact: "Since he had not alerted the police to his change of address, he was arrested for breaching the conditions of his previous release."

He had committed paedophile assault crimes against girls.

He had, afterwards, been accommodated in a women’s refuge in Leeds.

What was it again, about these things could never happen? Bollocks.

TheBiologyStupid · 20/11/2022 00:16

ShamedBySiri · 19/11/2022 23:20

That would be so brilliant. It is the only way. I would definitely be doing it if I was living in Scotland.

Sounds brilliant - like something from Aristophanes.

DoloresTellUsStories · 20/11/2022 00:08

Thank you for the share token, OP.

I ask people who read the article to go back, and read again; but for each "she, her" in reference to Dolatowski, substitute the grammatically and biologically accurate pronouns "he, him" (because that is what he is).

To be fair, the writer, Alex Massie, points this out: ...for although Dolatowski was born male, convention now decrees that she be referred to by her preferred pronouns...

Many thanks to Barra Kerr for cutting through all this utter crap with the article on usage of inaccurate pronouns:

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

ResisterRex · 19/11/2022 23:29

Article tweeted by JKR

https://twitter.com/jkrowling/status/1594078775918166016?s=46&t=XsV8m1FXf99_yPmE33668Ww

ShamedBySiri · 19/11/2022 23:20

Boiledbeetle · 19/11/2022 22:33

Every single woman in Scotland on the first day the new rules come in should apply and change their sex to male. Then start using all the male single sex spaces. Leave the ladies single sex to the men who want to be validated and the women who act as their handmaidens.

I mean it won't have much impact but the stats should be fun . Suddenly 99% of Scotland would be male!

That would be so brilliant. It is the only way. I would definitely be doing it if I was living in Scotland.

Abitofalark · 19/11/2022 23:08

"Alex Massie: Gender reforms will open doors for predators

The proposed bill will allow abusive men to take advantage of trans rights"

Quality article from Massie - he's such a good writer and so sharp.

"A previously medical process will be replaced by one in which anyone can change their gender — and their legal sex — simply by affirming their new identity. (One of the many mystifying aspects of this subject is that people who wish to de-medicalise gender identity for adults also insist questioning children should be put onto an irreversible medical pathway to change their bodies and identities.)"

What is particularly good about the comment in bold, in addition to the intrinsic logic, is in the awareness and precision in the use of language. Here he refers to children by an open term, 'questioning', and to a 'pathway to change their bodies and identities', a considered way of not labelling them as something they are not and not conferring an unwarranted status and significance on tinkerings with who they are.

Datun · 19/11/2022 22:58

TheBiologyStupid · 19/11/2022 22:04

Thanks as always, Arabella. The final paragraph is excellent:

So, a question for MSPs and those who support the government’s gender reforms: is Dolatowski a “predatory male” or a “trans woman”? Or is she actually both of these things? And if she is both, what are the implications of that status?

Yes. I'm find it increasingly irritating that there appear to be two groups of men. Predatory men and men who identify as women.

And many appear to believe that the former will take advantage of rules to accommodate the latter. When in reality they're all predatory if they use those rules.

A man in a woman's space doesn't stop violating her boundaries because he has a special identity. Her need for a single sex space isn't negated because he disagrees that she should have it. It's the opposite. His disagreement is the reason the space is provided in the first place.

Men who disregard women's consent over their own privacy are all the same.

Boiledbeetle · 19/11/2022 22:33

Every single woman in Scotland on the first day the new rules come in should apply and change their sex to male. Then start using all the male single sex spaces. Leave the ladies single sex to the men who want to be validated and the women who act as their handmaidens.

I mean it won't have much impact but the stats should be fun . Suddenly 99% of Scotland would be male!

ArabellaScott · 19/11/2022 22:05

In the US:

twitter.com/BrandonMShow/status/1593683063719940096?cxt=HHwWgMCqmbCT850sAAAA

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TheBiologyStupid · 19/11/2022 22:04

Thanks as always, Arabella. The final paragraph is excellent:

So, a question for MSPs and those who support the government’s gender reforms: is Dolatowski a “predatory male” or a “trans woman”? Or is she actually both of these things? And if she is both, what are the implications of that status?

JanieAllen · 19/11/2022 22:00

I'm now utterly terrified of independence. I only stay here as I've got elderly parents who will not move.

HopRockers · 19/11/2022 21:58

zanahoria · 19/11/2022 21:55

The SNP constantly snipe about being controlled by Westminster but sign up to this lunacy that was born and bred in the USA.

Ironically this is the thing that has people hoping Westminster will step in - I just don't understand the strategy

zanahoria · 19/11/2022 21:55

The SNP constantly snipe about being controlled by Westminster but sign up to this lunacy that was born and bred in the USA.

JanieAllen · 19/11/2022 21:55

yeah ... its absolute madness

HopRockers · 19/11/2022 21:52

That's an excellent article thank you for sharing.

I already knew all the details of Dolatowski but "has now been transferred to Cornton Vale women’s prison." still made me take a breath 😩🤬

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