Is it okay to work with groups whose principles you dont share as a feminist, but there is a common cause?

It's simply a common belief or debate tactic among people who share views that are considered by many to be intolerant or bigoted, especially in the online political debate world.

What is? Free speech?

Literaly wtf are you talking about?

If you believe the labour party are anti women or antisemitic, and you hold those views in genuine and good faith, and you yourself believed anti women or antisemitic views were not acceptable, I would expect you to not vote for them on that basis. What exactly is your question?

It's simply a common belief or debate tactic among people who share views that are considered by many to be intolerant or bigoted, especially in the online political debate world.

As in, the idea that all views, no matter how intolerant, need to be tolerated and considered on the same level as other less fringe or taboo views.

So please answer my point about the Labour party.
Or can't you?

What 'actions' are you thinking of?

That's where we fundamentally disagree then and will just have to agree to disagree. I absolutely care about furthering the goals of people who want to reduce women's rights. If my actions contributed to their success how could I ever think of myself as a feminist?

You don't seem to have read the links in the OP. This is nothing to do with self-ID. It's about education. This is from the facebook page of the organisers:

Hands Up Scotland is a group of parents, friends, teachers, and university lecturers concerned about the politicisation of Scottish education. We believe it’s time for a genuine, open, discussion about changes taking place in Scottish classrooms.
The quality of Scottish education (primary, secondary and HE) appears to be declining and attainment gaps are widening . We need a public discussion on education to create an education system that is open and tolerant. Government and teachers should not be indoctrinating our kids with the latest political fads, schools should strive for some sense of objectivity and provide our children with a range of differing views. Education in subject areas and history should help our children to develop a better understanding of their place in the world. A school should be place of learning, not a platform from which government dictates political values or teachers preach ‘activism’.

www.facebook.com/groups/199024469048342/about

I don't know any more about this group, but perhaps if you do you could share it here.

Thanks Arabella.

This.

To quote you go to the three dots/ellipses at bottom right of the post, click on it, and press 'quote' from the drop down menu.

I agree with Arabella but don't know how to quote. I'm fairly confident in my opinions. Don't like being told what to think by anyone.

typical right wing "all voices no matter how vile deserve to be heard"

Who is it you're saying is 'right wing', here? Or are you saying that free speech itself is 'right wing'? That's an interesting viewpoint.

Sounds just like the Labour party, apart from the abortion bit. Mind your, Labour are so misogynist I wouldn't even guarantee that.

The actual question was, would you be willing to actively share space and platform with people who hold antifeminist other views that you don't agree with, because they share views and goals on trans rights self ID) that you do agree with.

Yes, I would. I'd be willing to 'actively share space' with almost anyone, tbh. I'd happily go to a conference that included reps from Stonewall, Mermaids, The Tory Party, Labour Party, Atheists Anonymous, The Christian Megaparty, whatever.

I'm not worried that views I disagree with are contagious, or how other people might see me. I don't buy into 'sharing space' meaning I am somehow 'allied with' or 'supporting' someone, because imo that's just ridiculous.

And anti-abortion.

In other words, their only interest in women is controlling them and telling them what they may and may not do; with a healthy dose of broad spectrum bigotry to boot. If the enemy of my enemy is my friend, I'll do without friends. There is no "respectful debate" to have with people like this, and if what has happened in the USA hasn't taught us that yet, we aren't listening.

You are the only one I see moving the goalposts. You really do believe that pro -lifers and homophobes have such good arguments that anyone who does boycott them will be contaminated

I'm interested, still, in whether it is ok to share a platform with the misogynistic and antisemitic labour party.
After they refused to let GC groups attend at conference? Kicked out women members who are GC? Treated Rosie Duffield so appallingly?
Where are you drawing the line?
And why are you attempting to shame everyone else into drawing the same line?

And that is a pertinent point that I have missed due to my incredulity at feminists saying they're okay to kick it with such groups.

In an effort to justify your view points several posters on here have started muddling their arguments to better suit their narrative. The goal posts have been moved. Now it's just about "listening to all groups" and "educating yourself" on even the most backwards of views.

The actual question was, would you be willing to actively share space and platform with people who hold antifeminist other views that you don't agree with, because they share views and goals on trans rights self ID) that you do agree with. As in would you attend political conferences and campaigns alongside people who, as well as rejecting self ID, are also rejecting issues supposedly important to feminists and moving against womens' rights. Not just discussing, coming from groups they have wilfully and actively joined that support the abolishment of those rights.

It's important not to lose sight of that and letting the thread deteriorate into typical right wing "all voices no matter how vile deserve to be heard" type. Which while arguable and fine, is not actually the point.

I'm so glad. Will the change of location provide the cooties here?
The aim was to shut down the talk. Glad it didn't work.
Now can you address my points about, for example, the Labour Party?

Haven't you seen? It's not been shut down it's at a lovely very famously women loving evangelical church, you'd be more than welcome to attend.

Okay, misworded by me.

I honestly couldn't give a shit about people sitting around talking about what to do to push their anti abortion or anti gay marriage sentiment out into the world.

They're obviously succeeding in plenty of places, so I may be interested in why they feel that way, but I certainly wouldn't be "collaborating with them to further my common goal" as per the point of the thread.

You don't have to stand in an echo chamber to not need or want to be persuaded to agree with pro life or anti gay marriage sentiment

See, that's interesting. I could listen to anti-abortion people argue all day long and I'm fairly sure that I wouldn't accidentally 'be persuaded' to agree.

No one was forcing you to attend.

You don't have to stand in an echo chamber to not need or want to be persuaded to agree with pro life or anti gay marriage sentiment for example?

I may be interested in why people might think that way, but attending an event specifically to promote their ideas is by far not the only way to do that, obviously.

Yes we can all make decisions about who we connect with and how. Isn't that wonderful.
It's when events are shut down that the problem occurs.
Would still be interested in the justification of those who judge others but would happily get cooties from working with the Labour party.