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Attempting to cancel Mrs Doubtfire

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WandaWomblesaurus · 17/11/2022 02:29

twitter.com/megmcgrady/status/1592459772145831936

Enjoy.

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MuraRocker · 17/11/2022 10:35

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Wanderingowl · 17/11/2022 10:34

Brefugee · 17/11/2022 08:10

The real irony in that is that, sure he has to use a disguise, but he can't disguise himself as a man because who would employ a male nanny? so he dresses as a woman to comply with an out dated sexist idea that men can't be nannies. And so on and so on.

He didn't want to be a nanny. He wanted to be back in the family home after his wife ends their marriage. He dressed up a woman (with an elaborate latex special effects mask) to fool his wife into hiring him as a nanny for their children. Partially to spend time with his kids, but mainly so he can convince her to go back to her husband and break up her new relationship with Pierce Brosnan.

It was adapted from the book Madame Doubtfire by Anne Fine, which was much funnier, but also more unrealistic in that the wife and oldest daughter don't immediately recognise their husband/father who isn't even wearing a latex mask in the book. What is good about both the book and film is that by the end Daniel recognises that he was a shit husband and father and accepts that his wife made the right decision, they go on to have an amicable divorce and he makes a better effort as a father.

I'm thinking that the main reason there is an attempt to cancel the film is the scene in which the two older children realise Mrs Doubtfire is a man. (This scene isn't in the book.) They walk in on him standing up to piss and immediately freak out, assuming he is a threat and a predator. IIRC, the boy is afraid and grabs a tennis racket to protect him and his sister. And they are only calmed down upon realising the man is their father. It re-enforces the idea that random men dressing up as women to access the private spaces of women and children is something to be justifiably scared of.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/11/2022 10:12

Let's hope they don't find out about drag queens then. They might just implode.

Spot the difference... 'Mrs Doubtfire' is elderly, unattractive and not remotely sexy. Not 'girl mode'. This isn't the right sort of 'womaning better than a woman'.

MintChocCornetto · 17/11/2022 10:09

CrossPurposes · 17/11/2022 10:00

Surely there's been a "takedown" of Some Like It Hot?

I will riot if they do! 😂

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Surely there's been a "takedown" of Some Like It Hot?

MuraRocker · 17/11/2022 09:54

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MandyMotherOfBrian · 17/11/2022 09:50

Fuck me, the irony is strong with this one.

But yes, as a general rule, no one should ever be allowed to dress up and pretend to be something they’re not. Which is going to hit the acting profession hard. But thems the breaks, what can you do?

ReunitedThorns · 17/11/2022 09:44

The first rule of being trans is to look at everything in the context of how you should be offended by it and how it can increase your sense of victimhood.

The second rule of being trans is to be hypocritical. You want to trans historical figures (whether real or fictional), and then you criticise the representation of someone who you've retro-actively transed.

Shouldbesleeping1 · 17/11/2022 09:33

@SudocremOnEverything I know. My point isn't about that. It's about logic Meg is using and the glaring hole in Meg's argument. If x, then y is true, then .....

silverclock222 · 17/11/2022 09:22

WandaWomblesaurus · 17/11/2022 08:26

Wait, someone on that thread is offended by the Scottish accent. Maybe it's The First Feminist!

I'm pretty offended by the Scottish accent and I'm Scottish! @WandaWomblesaurus you are brilliant BTW. Shows how ridiculous it all is.

RoyalCorgi · 17/11/2022 09:12

Shouldbesleeping1 · 17/11/2022 06:45

The irony is incredible. Meg is offended because it's a man dressing up as a trans woman. Using that EXACT SAME logic Meg should understand that woman might be offended by men dressing up as women. Surely, surely a lightbulb will be pinging in Meg's brain over the coming days.

The lightbulb will never ping. The one characteristic these people share is their quite remarkable stupidity.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/11/2022 09:02

WandaWomblesaurus · 17/11/2022 08:26

Wait, someone on that thread is offended by the Scottish accent. Maybe it's The First Feminist!

Ah, a reasonable point among the idiocy.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 17/11/2022 08:51

I’ve never seen the movie. I just couldn’t believe then ( and still can’t now, in spite of the greatly improved enhancement techniques) that anyone would be fooled for five minutes by this ruse. So I couldn’t be bothered with it.

I suspect that some of the offended might look rather more classifiable without the internet filters, as well.

WandaWomblesaurus · 17/11/2022 08:26

Wait, someone on that thread is offended by the Scottish accent. Maybe it's The First Feminist!

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WandaWomblesaurus · 17/11/2022 08:21

Wait till they don't see Tootsie.

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aroman · 17/11/2022 08:18

I have mixed feelings about Mrs Doubtfire. There's a connection from a nostalgia/ childhood perspective, but watching it now I find it very unsettling and weird.

FWIW the character in the film is not trans, he is just a very unpleasant character creating an elaborate web of lies. The movie certainly reinforces a lot of weird gender stereotypes, but is not really anything to do with being trans/ cross dressing by modern definitions.

WandaWomblesaurus · 17/11/2022 08:11

The stocking is only ok if it's from inclusive company Snag Tights.

All of Robin Williams other films will be banned from Xmas viewing because they remind them of Robin Williams who is also in Mrs Doubtfire.

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Brefugee · 17/11/2022 08:10

The real irony in that is that, sure he has to use a disguise, but he can't disguise himself as a man because who would employ a male nanny? so he dresses as a woman to comply with an out dated sexist idea that men can't be nannies. And so on and so on.

WandaWomblesaurus · 17/11/2022 08:08

Green salad, purple quality street wrappers and milk are all out if they are near each other on the kitchen cabinet because the colours of these items have been appropriated by evil old cis women to create hatred.

Snow is problematic.

Don't have a period because menstruation is exclusionary and people might get triggered by seeing a box of tampons in the bathroom.

The nativity is right out. Mary is a pregnant person 🫃🏻

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DesMoulinsRouge · 17/11/2022 08:06

DisforDarkChocolate · 17/11/2022 08:04

I hate this film so cancel away. Creepy stalker ex is not funny.

Yeah I always thought it was a bit creepy. I wasn't a fan of Robin either (didn't dislike just a bit meh) so I never really got it.

SudocremOnEverything · 17/11/2022 08:06

Shouldbesleeping1 · 17/11/2022 06:45

The irony is incredible. Meg is offended because it's a man dressing up as a trans woman. Using that EXACT SAME logic Meg should understand that woman might be offended by men dressing up as women. Surely, surely a lightbulb will be pinging in Meg's brain over the coming days.

But Meg simply seems to have misunderstood the plot.

It’s nothing at all to do with trans. Just because there’s a man pretending to be a woman, doesn’t mean it has anything to do with trans.

SlipperyLizard · 17/11/2022 08:04

Meg is clearly a transphobe - I thought TWAW, not men in dresses. Clearly I was wrong, and were all agreed there’s no difference.

And the contortions to conclude that Mrs Doubtfire = bad, drag = fine are something to behold.

DisforDarkChocolate · 17/11/2022 08:04

I hate this film so cancel away. Creepy stalker ex is not funny.

BruceAndNosh · 17/11/2022 08:03

No fairy on top of the tree as its an offensive slur

WandaWomblesaurus · 17/11/2022 08:00

No pigs in blankets because of penises.

No Harry Potter marathon.

No pork stuffing because it's shaming peoples kinks.

No cranberry sauce because of colonialism and problematic associations with America and thanksgiving and Trump.

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