"Children in Need are currently funding 37 projects to the value of over £2.6 million specifically focused on young people affected by issues of sexual identity and gender identity."

YY

How is it a bad thing to point that out? If you want the best for your child, surely you want gold standard care that has a great track record of successful outcomes.

Baffling.

Indeed. And Keating's genuine questions require answers:

Don't you think that your nephew deserves to be served by charities that take safeguarding seriously?

Don't you think that if these charities are purportedly acting in your nephews interests, they should be able to stand by their own medical expertise?

Have you read the interim Cass report? Do you think that charities for TG children should be familiar with the contents?

It may be going to organisations who will encourage your vulnerable relative to pursue unevidenced and irreversible medical pathways.

This is what I don't understand.

Wouldn't you want to understand as much as you could about experimental and irreversible medical treatments before loved ones embark upon them? Wouldn't you be interrogating the Cass report? Wouldn't you be horrified by mermaids announcing their lack of any medical expertise and the child safeguarding lapses that have come to light?

Gender confused children deserve the highest standards of care and support. What they're getting is a million miles from that.

You raised MH issues and then say you don't want to discuss them.

I have never, ever seen anyone taking the piss out of a teenager's mental health on FWR.

The CIN money won't be going on research. It may be going to organisations who will encourage your vulnerable relative to pursue unevidenced and irreversible medical pathways.

She already gets stared at by typical presenting women

What on earth is a typical presenting woman?! This is not the 1940's!

This!

I'm not particularly bothered about your greatfulness.

Ok, cool.

It's just a shame that you won't engage with some reasonable questions. I honestly would love to hear your response to them.

I'm not particularly bothered about your greatfulness.

And if you could address my earlier questions, I'd be really grateful thanks

I don't wish to discuss my nephews depression and suicide attempts with who just take the piss out of how he feels.

Who is taking the piss out of how he feels?

For fucks sake. Two replies that massively highlight why I don't want to engage. I don't wish to discuss my nephews depression and suicide attempts with who just take the piss out of how he feels. I've been here before and won't do it again. So enough.

The irony of that comment has made me laugh!

No seriously, it would be great if you actually tried to engage.

What are you afraid of here?

I would support any research into this after multiple suicide attempts by my transgender nephew.

Its not research you're supporting though. A lot of these charities aren't big on research.

Serious question though, and I'm asking this genuinely. Don't you think that your nephew deserves to be served by charities that take safeguarding seriously?

Don't you think that if these charities are purportedly acting in your nephews interests, they should be able to stand by their own medical expertise?

Have you read the interim Cass report? Do you think that charities for TG children should be familiar with the contents?

TheKeatingFive

The irony of that comment has made me laugh!

I do hope you didn't catch anything in your brief visit.

Women having rights, boundaries, equality, horrible diseases like that

I don't wish to engage with anyone on here.

Why not?

What are you afraid of?

Posted too soon. Sorry I didn't realise this had been moved to the Feminism board. Please ignore my comment, I don't wish to engage with anyone on here.

Sorry. I didn't

Clymene· Today 08:15

Witchcraftandhokum · Today 08:11

I'm not a big supporter of CIN but on the back of this thread I'll be making a donation.

Ooh edgy!

It's not really. I would support any research into this after multiple suicide attempts by my transgender nephew.

Surely "everyone is staring at me because...." is how teenagers tell you "I feel self conscious about...."

lieslotte apologies if you think we're denying your DD's lived experience. I can only say that my niece is at a non-uniform secondary school and there is a very healthy mix of girls with a 'uniform' of fake-tanned, straightened hair, salon eyebrows and nails - and girls with band-T-shirts, over-sized check shirts, beanies, jeans, Converse, short, floppy 'boy' hair - and a bunch of styles in between. If the fake-tanned girl walked into a toilet full of the 'short-haired' girls they'd get stared at, and if the 'short-haired' girl walked into a toilet full of fake tanned girls they'd get stared at too.

Teendom is absolutely ruthlessly self-conscious and judgemental. I'm sure I'm not alone as a teen having a mother say 'For God's Sake NO ONE cares what you look like' as I faffed about trying to get my fringe in exactly the right position. I used to go about feeling I had a spotlight on me (and not in a fabulous Ru Paul way!)

I feel for your daughter. She says she's not decided on her sexuality yet. She'll not be alone in that. As long as you've got her back. Does she have no friends that look like her or like what she likes? What she and other teenagers need are places to hang out where they won't get given a lecture about gender bread men and offered binders as soon as they admit to not enjoying wearing a skirt.

If CIN was supporting youth work and youth centres for young people of all shapes and sizes I'd be more of a cheerleader for them. As it is, I've grown suspicious of all large charities these days. I don't have any spare funds but when I do, I give to local charities where the money goes more directly to the intended recipients. And as someone else said, I don't need a badge or a wristband to tell the world I'm charitable.

Posts like this make me terrified for my teen dd. She hasn't settled on a sexuality yet (she says) and wears very gender neutral clothes. She already gets stared at by typical presenting women and girls in public toilets and ladies changing rooms. Luckily kids her are are much more accepting than adult women, but attitudes are still isolating and cause her massive mental health issues.

Have you seen her being stared at in toilets or changing rooms? I've never seen a woman stare at someone they don't know in a changing room to be honest! Teenage girls can be very sensitive and tranlsate "I think my boobs aren't big enough" to "everyone is staring at me". Or do you mean that she is not dressing in a "gender neutral" way but is deliberately dressing as if she is male?

You (and she) might be getting cause and effect the wroing way round. Teenage girls with mental health issues can fix on gender as the cause.

The difficulty is that a lot of the "support" doesn't help children come to terms with their physical sex, or with their body as it is, or with the issues underlying their gender questioning. Instead it confirms and embeds their sense that the problem is that they are the "wrong sex" or "in the wrong body". And that is harmful.

You can address people in shops with out gendering it. A simple "Are you ok there?' Or "can i help you?" without a sir/madam on the end. If you're not entirely sure, just make it neutral.
Ditto loos. If you're not sure, maybe don't say anything. I mean, what am I supposed to do to prove I"m in the right place?

I wasn't particularly responding to the subject of the thread, more to the poster that said her daughter got stared at in public places, and everyone saying 'this never happens / has never happened to me.