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Educational Psychologists recommending mixed sex changing and toilets in schools

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TangerineDreaming · 14/11/2022 13:04

edpsy.org.uk/blog/2022/just-because-i-think-dwayne-johnson-is-fit-exploring-the-voices-of-young-people-who-identify-as-lgbtqia/

I've seen this blog today on the most mainstream blog site for educational Psychologists.

It recommends that educational Psychologists support using preferred pronouns whenever requested and recommend mixed sex toilets and changing facilities throughout schools..

There is no consideration of The Cass review, no caution around social transition, no reference to the evidence base for watchful waiting, no concern over the hugely rising numbers of trans identifying children or reflection on why this might be, and no mention of the association with autism, and mental health concerns,.

And most alarming no thought to the obvious safeguarding concerns for advising that girls (female teenagers) should share changing facilities with boys (male teenagers).

The advice contravenes the equality act and DfE guidance.

But this is the advice schools are getting from psychologists who go in and advise them. Schools believe they will be giving evidenced based, cautious advice and trust they should act on this.

But this advice seems to ignore all the complexity of this issue and instead has replaced professionalism with an activist position linked to 'lived experience/ trans voices',which equals: just do whatever they say.

They seem unaware of the recent position from the association of clinical psychologists urging a more cautious approach in line with the Cass review. There appears to be no position statement from the educational Psychologists association.

This advice is dangerous and unprofessional and another example of a professional organisation captured by ideology and letting this replace evidence based practice and safeguarding to the detriment of many children.

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Neolara · 14/11/2022 20:15

"Most clin psychs and ed psychs are uncritically onboard with the trans ideology."

Am wondering why you think this?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/11/2022 18:55

Neolara · 14/11/2022 16:05

The blog does not give recommendations to schools. The EPs have explored the views of a group of young people and the blog just reports what this group has said. Exploring pupil views is very much part of an EPs role.

"From the findings of this research we have created a webinar for schools along with the corresponding language document."

What's the purpose of their webinar and accompanying documents Neolara if not to recommend / advise schools about certain courses of action?

TangerineDreaming · 14/11/2022 18:41

FrownedUpon · 14/11/2022 13:26

This blog certainly has an agenda. Report to the BPS & the AEP (Association of Educational Psychologists).

The BPS and the Association of educational Psychologists are deep into this activism and will support this agenda of policy based on trans 'voices'.

Psychologists as a profession have come to view themselves as social justice activists and therefore were ripe for the Trans ideology which attached itself to that.

This is how the Tavi was able to function as it did and why creating new regional centres is going to be challenging.

Most clin psychs and ed psychs are uncritically onboard with the trans ideology and they're the ones now being looked to for advice to schools and parents.

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TangerineDreaming · 14/11/2022 18:31

Neolara · 14/11/2022 16:05

The blog does not give recommendations to schools. The EPs have explored the views of a group of young people and the blog just reports what this group has said. Exploring pupil views is very much part of an EPs role.

It calls it 'research' and then suggests 'ways forward', mixed sex changing being one of those 'ways forward'.

This is clearly touting itself as 'evidence' for guidance.

You're right in reality it's just: we asked some people what they wanted and this was it... which any numpty can do, nothing psychological about it, and this is what most EP 'research' amounts to these days.

This is what happens when activism replaces rigour.

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nauticant · 14/11/2022 16:40

They asked a LGBTQ group from one school.

From the article "Challenges: “They call it the boys top set or the girls top set and in general it just doesn’t feel like you belong there”". That does give me the impression of a bog-standard comp.

LondonWolf · 14/11/2022 16:16

There is a podcast called New Discourses with James Lindsay. Some of his views are far too much for me but he does a deep dive over several episodes to explain how teachers and educators became "activists" first and foremost. Fascinating stuff.

Neolara · 14/11/2022 16:05

The blog does not give recommendations to schools. The EPs have explored the views of a group of young people and the blog just reports what this group has said. Exploring pupil views is very much part of an EPs role.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/11/2022 15:56

Agreed EpicChaos.
To suggest that mixed sex changing rooms should be imposed on children is real trans extremism ideology and no professional allegedly qualified to work with children should be engaging in that type of rhetoric. Using undressing children to "validate" the fantasies of other children and adults is vile.

EpicChaos · 14/11/2022 15:00

" That word "research is doing some heavy lifting there. The methodology was:
I contacted a secondary school within the Local Authority where we work, that I understood had an established and highly thought of LGBTQIA+ youth group. She went and spoke to them 🙄 "

I'd like to know, if that Ed' Psychologist and any other, that thinks the same, has children of their own, if so, why have they been allowed to keep them? :-/

When I read articles such as this, regarding the safeguarding of young girls in school ( or anywhere else for that matter ) I am reminded of the man who spoke at one KJK's events recently, who said that schools were effectively turning young girls into unpaid prostitutes, there for the pleasure of boys/young men.
I don't think the guy was far wrong!

OmiOmy · 14/11/2022 13:59

Why does an educational psychologist need to get involved with social justice for work? Especially, an ed psych who works in early years.

It's happening more and more. Social justice warriors first, professionals second with teachers, doctors etc.

FrownedUpon · 14/11/2022 13:26

This blog certainly has an agenda. Report to the BPS & the AEP (Association of Educational Psychologists).

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/11/2022 13:21

That word "research is doing some heavy lifting there. The methodology was:
I contacted a secondary school within the Local Authority where we work, that I understood had an established and highly thought of LGBTQIA+ youth group. She went and spoke to them* *🙄

There's nothing wrong in speaking & listening to groups of children. But it's not "research" that then translates into changing pastoral care, curriculum & safeguarding policies for all children. That blog displays what's called "professional dangerousness". Weighing in on matters with minimal insight and knowledge with no idea that you don't understand not only the context of children's lives, schools and the law.

ZandathePanda · 14/11/2022 13:13

I am surprised it was published tbh as research is completely flawed from what I saw. They asked a LGBTQ group from one school. Not the whole school. Not a variety of schools. Tosh.

BellaAmorosa · 14/11/2022 13:13

Giving official advice that they ought to know is illegal.

Also, not often mentioned, but very important to note - the drive for mixed sex toilets and changing rooms is not coming from the schoolchildren.

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