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Nightmare proposed trans policy at work

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GCWorkNightmare · 14/11/2022 08:48

Work are consulting on a new trans and non-binary support policy. Policy states that trans people have the right to use whichever toilets and changing rooms they like and that anyone objecting should be educated and offered to use different facilities if they still object. When I queried it I was told that the Landrover case confirmed this as law.

Pointed out that this discriminated against women of some religions, victims of VAWG etc but they’re holding firm.

Can anyone give me info/links to refute this?

They also want a category of special leave without limits for trans people.

We are a National non-unionised company.

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Theunamedcat · 14/11/2022 09:30

Take the piss

Call in sick say your trans therfore they cannot discipline you

Demand the same pay as your male college as your a man therefore they owe you

senua · 14/11/2022 09:30

I have never heard of the Landrover case so I looked it up. It was a ruling in 2020. There has been water under the bridge since then (eg that EHRC document mentioned above is dated 27.04.22). Is your HR department fully up to date?

DrDinosaur · 14/11/2022 09:27

We really need some sort of women’s legal service to deal with this sort of nonsense. If any lawyers wanted to set this up I’d be delighted to help crowdfund.

IANAL, but I’d refer them to the Health and Safety at work Act Regulation 20, provision of sanitary conveniences www.hse.gov.uk/contact/faqs/toilets.htm
Ask how they are planning to offer you a women only toilet (‘woman’ in the Act clearly referring to sex).

I understand the Jaguar Landrover case was in a lower court so did not set precedent, so it’s not relevant.

They are misinterpreting the Equality Act if they think it obliges them to allow a trans identifying male to use female facilities - they are allowed to invoke an an exemption for reasons of privacy and dignity. The EHRC guidance is here:
www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/separate-and-single-sex-service-providers-guide-equality-act-sex-and-gender

(As I said I’m not a lawyer so I don’t know if this bit of law is strictly relevant as I don’t know if workplace toilets count as a service, but it’s good to read it to counter the widespread and incorrect Stonewall interpretation of the law).

I would also remind them that there is no hierarchy of protected characteristics, so they are obliged to consider the interests of women and people with protected beliefs (eg Muslims and Gender Criticals), as well as trans people.

Hopefully a lawyer will be along soon with more advice.

Plasmodesmata · 14/11/2022 09:23

Special leave without limits? How will they check that the people applying for this are "really trans"?

AnneLovesGilbert · 14/11/2022 09:20

Definitely contact Sex Matters. They have resources and can give you specific advice. Your workplace doesn’t get to overwrite the actual existing laws in this country.

NancyDrawed · 14/11/2022 09:20

Should have proof read!

The misrepresentation of the EA has been promoted by...

NancyDrawed · 14/11/2022 09:19

Sex Matters are probably the people to contact about this

sex-matters.org/your-rights-at-work/

The misrepresentation of the EA regarding toilet and changing facilities has been misinterpreted by pro trans organisations for years, leading to the tensions we have today. Men who call themselves women have been convinced that they have the right to use the women's facilities and therefore have pushed back hard against the women who say no.