Nightmare proposed trans policy at work

@RoyalCorgi
I don't think that the EA is unclear as to whether single sex means single sex and whether opposite sex transpeople can be excluded from those spaces or services. Both the former AG Suella Braverman and the EHRC confirmed those points. Not to mention the Inner House decision in the case of the Scottish census about the meaning of woman in the EA2010. Stonewall law is misinterpreting and the SNP administration in Scotland is challenging, but unless and until their interpretation is backed by a higher court, the meaning of SS, woman or man is clear.

This isn’t supersafe. It’s unsafe to many women who have epilepsy, particularly catamenial epilepsy. Gaps at the bottom of toilet doors let people know if someone has collapsed and more likely to prevent something unsafe happening (sexual assault, drug use).

Well done for bringing it up.
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The micro aggression aspect was discussed on here back in 2019. The civil service showcased their version of coercive control of women by lecturing them about the required facial expressions and body language that were required from any women who encountered a man self identifying as a woman in any women's facilities - toilet, changing room, showers etc.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3520371-civil-service-trans-policy-what-can-i-do

@Helleofabore
Staggering that an employer/HR department could be so paralysed with fear.

But then the disabled facilities aren't as available for disabled people? That doesn't seem very fair.

It was a few posts about a reddit thread re. Women using a different changing room rather than the female one with the tw. I think it was in Norway. Then there were posts a couple of days ago about not putting tw in private rooms rather than female wards because genderwoo. Any woman who complained was to be told there were only women on the ward. I presume by someone who smiled too much, didn't blink enough and stood too close.

I wonder if they want proof from dr? But then many trans people would say that discrimination...?

@saleorbouy Your proposal could work in a smaller office. However, I've seen plenty of threads on here about disabled toilets and who should and should not use them to know that this could be controversial if many people were to use it.

In my workplace the separate toilet cubicle with it's own wash facilities is for access to all. i.e mobility impaired, all gender. The other facilities are segregated as male or female.
It seems to work fine, a private space for all.
Since workplaces must offer mobility impaired facilities I'm sure your workplace could adopt this route without significant disruption and with everyone's needs in mind.

OP I am going through this at work at the moment. I’ve sent an email to HR asking if they have done an Equality Impact Assessment. Then ask if they had considered the impact of women especially minority religious women. I also sent them resources from the Sex Matters website.

They are going to review and come back to me.

Im curious, what are these different facilities if someone objects? If it was a small business, they wouldn't have space for so many toilets?

Indeed, icecreamvan.

The microagression thing was another breaking moment for many.

Controlling the reactions of anyone in that situation is coercive control and it really shows it.

A bit like the current guidance about the females who complain in hospitals and how they should be gaslighted with lies so the male doesn't feel 'othered' by being put in a single room.

It is the over reach that shows the true nature.

Oh my word! When will this madness stop?

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It has been mentioned on here a few times iwantmyownicecreamvan, there probably is a thread about it.

HOWEVER, in some workplaces, the women moving to another toilet would be considered a transphobic microagression.

There was that organisation up in Scotland that had a policy or guidance about that. Was it a university? Females making micro-aggressions when males used their toilets were transphobic???

<happens on trans identity>
<puts feet up until retirement>

Makes me wish I was still in salaried employment so I could try to pull this one at work

Well, under building regs they have to offer single sex toilets so they’re in breach of that , and it’s health and safety.

Maybe, but in that case it must have been mentioned on here because I don't use Reddit.

Can't wait until 100% of staff suddenly realise they're trans and apply for special leave. Wasn't that LR case more about bullying than what facilities they were able to use?

I wish I could remember where it was where something like this happened. TW was allowed to use the ladies WC and the female staff were told to be kind - so they were. However the female staff started going elsewhere and the TW complained about it. It was obvious that they wanted a female space with females in it.

I think that was a reddit thread.

Considering how much trouble employers go to in order to avoid the risk of long maternity leaves when recruiting, this is going to have some unwanted side effects for TQ+ identified potential employees looking for jobs if it is a blanket policy for the characteristic.

What'll end up happening is that the disabled accessible loos will be the default thereby disadvantaging disabled people who are the group whose physical needs should trump them all.

Unlimited special leave? I may be discovering my masculine side to take advantage of that. Under self ID there is no need to do anything to appear male? I just need to utter the magic words?

I'd be asking about the alternative facilities. How will they ensure that they remain male free?