Jacinda Ardern accused of killing her reelection hopes with kindness

I don’t expect you to understand this.

wow@landOFconfusion thats er…. Well…. How about you break it down for all us poor little ladies? Maybe we won’t understand it because it’s a load of codswallop but you never know.

I don’t expect you to understand this.
Thanks, @landOFconfusion I'll bear in mind that I'm stupid and only fit to be patronised.

I think gender self-ID is terribly dangerous for women, but then I'm a woman and therefore stupid, so...

Yes be Zealand was the first country to give all women the right to vote.
But us kiwis like to call a spade a spade and l have always been up front to people as to the reason why.
So the white vote was bigger than the Maori vote.

The bill that permits Self ID wasn’t a Private Member’s Bill. It was introduced in 2017 by the then National Government. Which you probably don’t even know is the opposite side of the political aisle from the Labour Party.

Where do you think that such broad political consensus comes from? Why do you think 120 MPs from five different parties in the NZ Parliament voted unanimously for the bill? Why do you think the cross party Select Committee rejected the submissions of Gender Critical activists as hateful and unhelpful nonsense?

Unlike failing states like the UK and the USA - that are rapidly tearing themselves apart through manufactured culture wars that fester under the influence of disinformation campaigns - progressive countries like New Zealand regard self ID as an entirely uncontroversial policy that eases the lives of an already vulnerable minority.

I don’t expect you to understand this.

Some of it is Maori owned and hopefully will never be developed. Vast amounts of farmland are owned by Big Money Interests.
No idea why property is so expensive here.

Thanks for making your ideological stance clear, LandOFconfusion. Have you read anything else in Mumsnet FWR? or anything, anywhere, about the reasons for single-sex spaces and services?

As if you didn’t know: men commit most violent crime and almost all sex offences. Transwomen offend at the same rate as other males. Transwomen are actually more likely to be in prison for sex offences than other male prisoners. In sports, male puberty gives transwomen unbeatable physical advantages over women and girls. Etc etc.

The NZ politicians who say gender self-ID is very meaningful for those that benefit, while for those that don't agree with this law change it really has no effect on them whatsoever are repeating the same propaganda pumped out by Stonewall and other genderist over here.

We’ve already heard these gaslighting, misogynistic lies a hundred times over.

I do think that transgender activism is used by some politicians as a loin cloth to cover their inaction on real issues of social justice, such as affordable housing, in this case.

I gather that there is a problem of rising crime, drug addiction and tent cities in New Zeraland. Though crime and drug addiction are not the exclusive reserve of the miserably poor, rates do fall when there is an improvement in living conditions.

No. Apparently not. Apparently it doesn’t impact women ‘whatsoever’.

It also affected the female weightlifters who could have represented NZ at the Olympics passed over for someone born male.

But apparently have no effect on women ‘whatsoever’!

The gaslighting that happens is fucked up.

It will have an affect on the NZ women incarcerated with this violent man.

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Yes. Those mildly negative comments weren’t denying covid nor anti-vax.

I just want to clarify that.

They were mildly criticising restrictions and the impact that had. I would say it was extreme bad faith to declare them ‘anti-vax’ and they were not denying covid existed.

Maybe @landOFconfusion is using their username as a reference to the landscape of their mind. I haven’t seen any anti vax or covid denying on this thread. Why cannot people say that covid measures may have had a negative effect on other aspects of life? That’s not saying the measures were necessarily wrong, but that all measures will affect other things and that needs to be discussed and taken into account.

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There are more posts about cows and methane than sentiment about covid lock down ‘sentiment’.

The hyperbole is strong today!!

I just did the same.
I'm lost as to how some certain people see words on a screen saying something and attribute something else in its place.

I saw no mention of anti vax, and nothing that denied covid.
Very odd.

It's easy to see how people can just make stuff up on a longer thread because who can be bothered to read back through and check every post. It's pushing your luck somewhat on a 2 page thread though. Fair play to landOFconfusion for trying 😂

That's because landOFconfusion is doing what their username suggests, and creating strawpersons to suit their narrative.

Overdoses.

not oberdoses…

Yes

One mentioned it as a comparator to death rates for drug oberdoses.

One made reference to it as a comparator between a male PM and a female PM, both with young babies during Covid.

One mentioned it as a valid reason why housing may not have been delivered on schedule.

Two or three made mildly negative comments about covid response.

Hardly ‘most’ by the time that post was made I estimate it was 2/30 maybe less.

Then landofconfusion comes in with wild exaggerations about
’the venn diagram containing the set of people who support anti-vax idiocy and covid denialism has an almost perfect overlap with the subset of people who absolutely hate Jacinda Ardern. And that hatred is on clear display here with multiple posters making disparaging comments about New Zealand’s covid lockdowns and other actions by Ardern’s Government such as closing international borders.’

Readers, this is a very good example of selective reading and twisting a thread to fit an agenda that seems to be more about remonstrating and berating women.

I just did the same.
I'm lost as to how some certain people see words on a screen saying something and attribute something else in its place.
I saw no mention of anti vax, and nothing that denied covid.
Very odd.

Reading through the posts here suggests that most of the animus directed towards Jacinda Ardern is founded upon anti-vax idiocy or covid denialism.

I just read the thread again (all 2 pages of it) to try and identify the anti-vax / covid denialist posts (I assumed I must have missed them) and couldn't identify what on earth landOFconfusion is talking about.

Oh I love it when any concerns about the efficacy or civil liberties element of the pandemic is equated to being anti-vax or covid-denialism! Cause you know people who take that approach don't have an agenda!

I am sure we watched this on land line the other day!

It is very interesting.

Get away with you

It is very meaningful for those that benefit, while for those that don't agree with this law change it really has no effect on them whatsoever.

Yes. We are aware of governments and MPs making this kind of claim.

It is exceedingly dangerous to gaslight women into believing that these law changes have ‘no effect on them whatsoever’.

Maybe you can look directly into the eyes of a victim of rape or sex abuse and tell them males using single sex spaces, from toilets to hospital wards and prisons and tell them it doesn’t have any impact on them whatsoever.

Maybe you can look directly into the eyes of a female sportsperson who misses out their opportunity to live their dream and to support themselves doing something they love and tell them there is no impact on them whatsoever.

I can’t.

Maybe males find it easier to do this….

Yes you’re right. New Zealand did introduce legislation that allows people to self-ID on official documents. But what you don’t realise is that it wasn’t introduced by Ardern - it was the product of parliamentary consensus.

So was it a private members bill? The legislation still must have been proposed by someone. Legislation doesn't just magically materialise when there is parliamentary consensus.

It wasn’t considered controversial by the NZ public and still isn’t because this country has no interest in fabricated culture wars.

In this context "no interest in fabricated culture wars" = zero consideration was given to the rights of women and girls or the safety of women and girls.