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What have people done when asked pronouns? (but are not trans ideologists)

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newbookonshelf · 13/11/2022 14:22

I've never been asked my pronouns but I wonder what I would say if I was. I WFH so never come up. I think I may say 'none' , 'you pick' , or maybe 'the' or simply 'what do you mean?'

So I'm just wondering how people do respond to this if they are not gender/trans ideologists. I'm looking for examples and what happened when you said it.

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VoodooQualities · 14/11/2022 12:44

potniatheron · 14/11/2022 11:24

I tell people that calling me by my name or by the second person pronoun "you" are both fine when they are talking to me.

And that it's none of my business how people describe me when I am not present.

In all seriousness, I don't fully understand the strength of feeling around pronouns for this exact reason. When I'm talking to someone, I call them "you". I don't call them she/he or whatever. When I'm talking ABOUT them, I'll use whichever thrdd person pronoun is the correct one. They don't get to control my speech choices when I am not talking to them.

It's not that simple. There are occasions where you have to use pronouns when the person is in earshot. I've had it twice myself in the past week!

I've got a gender fluid daughter, and a non binary colleague at work. Honestly, it comes up quite often.

Ohyoudodoyou · 14/11/2022 12:03

In the style of Julie Burchill 'Thot/That...
Or 'Billy/Owen'

ASmallCat · 14/11/2022 11:45

“The cat’s mother”

might be a bit niche to NI

potniatheron · 14/11/2022 11:24

I tell people that calling me by my name or by the second person pronoun "you" are both fine when they are talking to me.

And that it's none of my business how people describe me when I am not present.

In all seriousness, I don't fully understand the strength of feeling around pronouns for this exact reason. When I'm talking to someone, I call them "you". I don't call them she/he or whatever. When I'm talking ABOUT them, I'll use whichever thrdd person pronoun is the correct one. They don't get to control my speech choices when I am not talking to them.

poorbuthappy · 14/11/2022 11:20

But I struggle with my gender identity every damn day because I don't fucking have one.

Branleuse · 14/11/2022 11:15

Almostwelsh · 14/11/2022 00:46

"You can use whatever you like, I'm not bothered"

Thats basically what i would say.
I dont offer up pronouns. If they are unsure, they can just use my name

VoodooQualities · 14/11/2022 11:11

Haha, nice. Except for me the pronouns would be the same either way of course, which means your suggestion, if I were to use it, would be a bit too sarcastic for my liking.

It's a nice take on it though.

LaughingPriest · 14/11/2022 10:45

Can you turn it back on them? "Do you use pronouns based on my sex or on my personality? Happy to provide either depending on your preferences".

VoodooQualities · 14/11/2022 10:11

MumOnAMountain · 14/11/2022 00:46

Yes, this is another good answer, too!

No, this isn't a good one. Unless it is your real reason.

It's not appropriate to lie like this this in the workplace, particularly around close colleagues. They would naturally infer from it that you were struggling with your gender identity when you weren't really.

VoodooQualities · 14/11/2022 10:05

FrippEnos · 13/11/2022 18:02

Go for

"compelling the use of pronouns is forcing people in to the uncomfortable position of outing themselves or forcing them to stay hidden, I therefore refuse to be part of making people uncomfortable."

I wouldn't go with this (unless it's actually the real reason you don't want to, of course). By saying that you'd be centring the trans/nb/queer people again.

Much better to be proud and loud about why you don't want to give your pronouns, e.g. 'I don't believe in the ideology behind the question and am uncomfortable being asked'.

If you can't be loud and proud for whatever reason (and there are many reasons) then better stay silent than pretend you don't want to out of consideration for trans people. (Again, unless that really is your reason of course)

ArabellaScott · 14/11/2022 09:45

I've just ignored, when it's been asked on forms etc. No issues.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 14/11/2022 09:44

'What? Pronouns? What do you mean? What? Why? I don't get you! What are you on about?' continue as long as necessary and all said in my broadest Scouse. Proponents of extremely niche class-based fads should not expect knowledge or indeed acknowledgement of or the slightest interest in their little cultural affectations and shibboleths outside their tiny circles and it's kindest to let them know that rather than play along with their conceits. Otherwise they'll think it's mainstream and acceptable when it certainly isn't.

Beowulfa · 14/11/2022 09:05

Same response as to chuggers; a beatific smile and a firm "no thank you".

sourdoughismyreligion · 14/11/2022 08:31

I was asked to include pronouns as part of my company bio. I didn't. Gave them the rest of the information asked, the stuff that is actually relevant for my role but didn't include the non-essential bit of information. I don't know if it was anything to do with my refusal to comply but when our bios did appear on the website, pronouns were not included for anyone.

If I were asked in a meeting or face to face, I think I would just ignore the question. It's bizarre to think you can control how others refer to you when you're not there (or even if you are there). If I had the power to put words in other people's mouths, I wouldn't settle for something as trivial as pronouns, I'd insist that people only describe me using specific adjectives, namely 'intelligent', 'witty', and 'wise'.

picklemewalnuts · 14/11/2022 07:44

I was asked in a health care setting (I was patient).

She said, 'I'm sorry, I have to ask this, but- what are your pronouns, like she, he?'.

I said, 'I'm sorry you have to ask that, it's rubbish and a waste of your time. She/her.'

And we rolled our eyes, together.

BlooDeBloop · 14/11/2022 07:06

I'd ignore. After that I'd say 'in case it isn't obvious I'm female' and leave it like that 🤷‍♂️

Tontostitis · 14/11/2022 06:56

Tbf I'm old and don't care but it won't make you friends to give smart answers in the work place so just ignore the question as being utterly beneath you.

OtterOnToast · 14/11/2022 06:46

My pronouns are 'oops' and 'sorry' and I identify as an inconvenience?

I don't know. If asked I'd just laugh and say 'are you serious?'

SomePosters · 14/11/2022 01:05

I am someone who has been misgendered throughout my life so I just assume they aren’t sure and answer the question. She/her please.

It’s feels more polite than ‘what are you?’ Which I’ve had on many occasion and much less awkward than ‘give that to the nice maaaa…laaaay… person’

when I can’t be arsed with that I dress the part with eye catching earrings or dramatic skirts and suddenly I pass casual muster as woman again. People are very basic when it comes right down to it.

xJ0y · 14/11/2022 01:01

If I'm asked to do this at work I'm going to say "oh no thank you!" like I've been offered a slice of dry brack.

JFDIYOLO · 14/11/2022 00:56

I like
'I abstain - I don't agree with forcing people to either out themselves or retreat into lying about themselves before they're ready '

MumOnAMountain · 14/11/2022 00:46

CheesyBeans1 · 14/11/2022 00:37

I'm sorry, I'm not ready to disclose them yet, and I find this conversation really triggering

Yes, this is another good answer, too!

Almostwelsh · 14/11/2022 00:46

"You can use whatever you like, I'm not bothered"

CheesyBeans1 · 14/11/2022 00:37

I'm sorry, I'm not ready to disclose them yet, and I find this conversation really triggering

RosesAndHellebores · 13/11/2022 23:58

My pronouns are "I" and "me". You may call me Roses.