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What have people done when asked pronouns? (but are not trans ideologists)

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newbookonshelf · 13/11/2022 14:22

I've never been asked my pronouns but I wonder what I would say if I was. I WFH so never come up. I think I may say 'none' , 'you pick' , or maybe 'the' or simply 'what do you mean?'

So I'm just wondering how people do respond to this if they are not gender/trans ideologists. I'm looking for examples and what happened when you said it.

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atomsgirl · 30/12/2022 21:26

If the pronouns are more complicated than he/she/they, I would like to say that I identify only by biological sex. But if I think I would lose my job by saying that... I suspect I would suck it up..

If the culture was that caught up in identity politics, I doubt I would want to work/be there. So I'm sure I would be looking at an exit plan.

So I hope I don't ever get this question!

atomsgirl · 30/12/2022 21:16

If it's just he/she/they... I think I'll say you can call me what you like.

If it looks like I'm talking to people with a sense of humour, I may have to add something like "But I'll take the pronoun that pays me the most if you want" or "I'm sure I've been called worse.

But most places/people that are likely to ask this type of question are probably going to be pretty stuffy places/people. So I probably wouldn't 😁

drspouse · 30/12/2022 20:50

CoffeeBoy · 30/12/2022 20:03

But that’s not a gendered pronoun and you’d say the same whatever biological sex someone was.

you don’t say “can she tell us what she thinks”. I mean you could, but you’d be more likely to say “Jane, what do you think”. 🤷‍♀️

It's still a pronoun. It just happens to be a second person pronoun, not a third person pronoun.

EarthSight · 30/12/2022 20:26

'I don't use ideological pronouns, but I'm ok if other people do want to do this. I just use biological pronouns'.

PermanentTemporary · 30/12/2022 20:16

I watched a helpful instructional video with a group of people doing a pronoun round and stating their gender identity with influencer smiles and perfect teeth, and it was such a monumentally dumb and stupid waste of everyone's time, only fit for people who have nothing to do. I'll happily use they/them for everyone, I'm definitely doing that more than i used to.

More cross than usual with this shit because of the state of things at work. Acutely unwell admissions being assessed in ambulances etc. I work on a stroke unit and one person there with language problems was echolalic, repeating anything I said. My job is to strip communication down to the essentials to help her understand. The mindless privilege of making something that's supposed to be as simple as possible more complicated at a significant cost to others because of your own fascinating and fragile ego. The wasteful arrogance of it.

CoffeeBoy · 30/12/2022 20:03

drspouse · 15/11/2022 16:22

Don't you ever say to anyone "so, now can you tell us what you think?"

But that’s not a gendered pronoun and you’d say the same whatever biological sex someone was.

you don’t say “can she tell us what she thinks”. I mean you could, but you’d be more likely to say “Jane, what do you think”. 🤷‍♀️

CoffeeBoy · 30/12/2022 20:00

I’ve never been asked but if I am I will fake being horrified and upset that someone is trying to openly out me in such a manner.

atomsgirl · 30/12/2022 19:58

I wfh for a small company - and I can't see I would ever be asked this... but if it does...

What pronouns are we meant to be using? Is it just he / she etc or is this extending to pee / zee (or whatever they are as I really don't know much about them).

Metabigot · 30/12/2022 18:44

I day I don't mind, whatever you feel appropriate

I truly don't. If someone wants to call me he when I'm not there, big woop

DameHelena · 13/12/2022 16:14

I’m freelance and so this never comes up. If it did I like to think I’d go with ‘Oh, I don’t do that’ in lightly dismissive tones and with a calm and slightly condescending smile.

ilikethatname · 13/12/2022 16:03

I noticed that Linked in invited me to add my pronouns. Ffs! So far so captured

Abhannmor · 13/12/2022 11:03

Just bumping this for @DublinFemale

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 13/12/2022 10:58

'My pronouns are ... irrelevant'.

Cattenberg · 12/12/2022 18:25

If pressed further I would cite research which suggests that when women draw attention to their sex, they attract negative responses, or trigger other people's unconscious sexist bias.

I plan to do this if I’m asked to add my pronouns to my work email signature. We have a new CEO who puts his pronouns in his bio, so change might be afoot.

I have an unusual first name which isn’t obviously a woman’s name, and I’m glad of this at times. I shall say that I’d rather not draw attention to my sex, as I find there’s still a lot of sexism in the industry. They won’t be able to deny this.

I also like the idea of asking which of the other protected characteristics we should declare! It’s funny how only one seems to matter.

EasterIsland · 12/12/2022 17:58

SloppySlippers · 13/11/2022 15:41

Been in a few situations where people have started meetings with "we'll go round and everyone give their name and pronouns". I've just given my name. Never been pressed on it. If I was, I was planning to say "no thanks. I don't do that" or similar

Yup, that's what I do.

Although I think if someone pressed me, I'd say "I'm not comfortable with that."

If pressed further I would cite research which suggests that when women draw attention to their sex, they attract negative responses, or trigger other people's unconscious sexist bias.

JFDIYOLO · 12/12/2022 13:04

I've not actively been asked for my pronouns at work although there is the facility on email signatures. The CEO and a sprinkling of heads of department and other colleagues do.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 11/12/2022 09:38

In their latest fundraising event, my old college asked for my pronouns on their booking form. I replied that as an alumna they should be able to guess. When I attended , it was a female college, no blokes, not even amongst tutors or staff (only porters).

i also declined the invitation.

FrippEnos · 11/12/2022 09:30

I recall a teacher that that refused to use a pupil's pronouns but used their preferred name.

They were fired from their post.

Although this was is the US.

Teateaandmoretea · 11/12/2022 08:30

However in a group setting it is possible to get into "Sarah has been working in system and now she will tell us about it "

I would say ‘is going to update us’, that is convoluted to get a gendered pronoun in.

Teateaandmoretea · 11/12/2022 08:28

Don't you ever say to anyone "so, now can you tell us what you think?"

😂😂🤡

In meetings and emails you refer to people by name not he/ she. Which makes announcing them in meetings utterly pointless. Yes when talking directly to them then ‘you’ is used but how does knowing their pronouns help with that?

I’m still waiting for this to happen. I think in our wokey company HR for now are winning out on it as there has never been any pressure.

wellstopdoingitthen · 16/11/2022 02:01

My work database was updated by changing 'gender' to 'sex' and the box 'pronouns ' was added.

A bit of a nonsense when the addressee automatically generates
Mr & Mrs Edward Smith.
Seems the real problem is being overlooked.

MumOnAMountain · 16/11/2022 00:35

Bonkersworknonsense

That would be a good answer if pressed. “well, I’m probably not there when you’re saying it, so I don’t mind”.

Very sensible, hopefully neutral enough in the current climate. But the fact that women have to worry about this issue is very sad. We can't even say we're just women.

Bonkersworknonsense · 15/11/2022 17:26

I’d been preparing as I figured it was going to happen at my new job. Sure enough, they asked everyone to introduce themselves, “names and pronouns”. I just ignored the second it. If they’d pushed I was going to say “well, I’m probably not there when you’re saying it, so I don’t mind”. After that the batshittery intensified, but surprisingly they let me not state my pronouns.

midgetastic · 15/11/2022 16:54

And in what way is you sexed or gendered

Deeper apologies for not clarifying that I meant the he she pronouns not the you one but I thought form the context it was clear

However in a group setting it is possible to get into "Sarah has been working in system and now she will tell us about it "

drspouse · 15/11/2022 16:22

midgetastic · 13/11/2022 15:50

You shouldn't be using pronouns to address anyone

Don't you ever say to anyone "so, now can you tell us what you think?"

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