'Misgendering' cannot be discussed?

I mean, it's quite straightforward. We see a woman, we say "she, her"; we see a man, we say "he, him". It has always worked very well and clearly, all my life.

Also, in my native language, it's just not that simple; so I'm wondering whether you are being racist and/or xenophobic towards me now as well, because English is not my native language.

When someone wishes to be 'she' when they are make what is the prime motivation?.If attraction to men makes a man feel they are the wrong sex surely this is just himosexuality? Do men miss the instinct to give birth which is a major characteristics of women? How do men know they are missing breasts or their penis is redundant? I just can't figure out how someone can in some philosophical sense know innately they are the wrong sex because they can identify with all the other qualities of the other sex.

What is the difference between a gay transvestite and a trans woman? Is it that a trans woman has some kind of true insight into womanhood that transcends biology?

I just don't get it :(

Because women don't have one view as we're all individuals?!

If you're not a TRA, then why are you here cheerleading for TRA viewpoints?

What are you actually on about, I'm a mum with an opinion just like you (presumably) are 😁
I'm not a TRA

So are we not allowed at all to address the current etiquette dilemma? How sad in these times.

Oh Ganymede should back away.
a bunch of radicalized 2nd Waves mothers are a powerful force; and that's just what TRAs fear

@Dontaskdontget , I’m sorry that happened to you.

Somehow don’t think this remark was addressed to you but feel free to back away.

You might need to start a new thread asking this question as this thread can also be deleted for being a TAAT (thread about a thread)

(The bloody hoops we have to jump through just to discuss impact on women ffs)

Please don't start again on this one, ffs.

Can people like who support this type of thing, please explain, why women must be forced to address known men by female pronouns?

The previous thread disappeared before I managed to read all of it.

More power to my Sisters!
This cranky Lesbian supports you!
🤣WTF lol.
Fist pumps back and slowly backs away..., 😬

I actually find this chilling. Every time it happens, it makes me feel afraid. It's scary how easy it is for our rights and freedoms to be attacked.

I never said "we're just females" - you are adding words to suit your agenda, because you have nothing of value to add, so your only option is to try to twist words around.

I was making an observation.

Females aren't allowed to have a robust discussion because we're supposed to be kind, so TRAs report the thread to shut down discussion.

Actually many are appalled that a bunch of mummies instead of discussing prams are now engaged in good old Second Wave consciousness -raising and getting radicalized!
More power to my Sisters!
This cranky Lesbian supports you!

This is something that I’ve thought about a lot. That instinctual warning. Because a few years back I was walking home alone and I noticed two men walking towards me on the same side of the street as me. No one else about.

I felt instantly uncomfortable, but then I challenged my thinking. Was I yearning to cross the road away from them because these men were black, in a very white area? That’s racist. Was I judging them on the basis of their clothes, which indicated a different social class to mine? That’s so snobby. Was it just that they were youngish men? That’s so ageist!

While I was thinking about all of this, they mugged me and stole my handbag.

Wish I’d been a lot less worried about hurting the muggers’ feelings and a lot faster at crossing the road and getting away from them.

What, we can never be wrong or called out because we're just lil ol' mummies talking about prams, or cooking dinner!
Er, no.

Can’t quite make out the point here. What do prams and cooking dinners have to do with anything?

You've got that the wrong way round. We can't have proper discussion about stuff because we should only be talking about prams and stuff.

Seriously annoyed it disappeared. I was on page 1 of 3 and there were some interesting points.

Of course we can be wrong. If anyone can give a reasoned and truthful statement as to why I am wrong, I will accept it. I have yet to hear why women must be forced to call men by female pronouns just because those men want them to.

females on mumsnet arguing facts and making sense
I hate this argument though.
"We're just females on Mumsnet, making sense!"
It feeds into a victim mentality which makes me uncomfortable on several levels
What, we can never be wrong or called out because we're just lil ol' mummies talking about prams, or cooking dinner!
Er, no.

I have posted a quote on here numerous times and I make no apology for repeating it frequently.

”If freedom means anything at all it means being able to tell people things that they do not wish to hear. “
George Orwell.