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It totally did not wander off topic

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WallaceinAnderland · 12/11/2022 23:31

It was bang on topic the whole way through.

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MumOnAMountain · 13/11/2022 02:09

Yes, Secretusername3.

If we get deleted and obliterated on this discussion on Mumsnet - then what are our chances out there in our world of work?

In case Mumsnet forgot, Maya Forstater won her case.

The Employment Appeal Tribunal substituted a finding that gender-critical beliefs are a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010. Those who hold such beliefs are now legally protected from discrimination and harassment in employment and as service users.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/gender-critical-beliefs-are-worthy-of-respect-in-a-democratic-society/

(gives further and full references).

Secretusername3 · 13/11/2022 02:04

I was also very keen to talk about this as I have DS who has only begun to learn language (delayed) and took a long time to get pronouns at all, he needs things to be concrete and fuzziness stresses him, in short it would be quite difficult and confusing for him to be told that there some truths like biological sex are to be ignored - and a safeguarding issue.

So, it’s quite important I think to be clear - what if when he is older and at work? What about in school? Does he have to follow gender ideology or be disciplined?

Delphinium20 · 13/11/2022 02:02

I feel bad for the poster whose 12 year old daughter was yelled at by a mom of a they/them for forgetting to use they/them as demanded. Adults yelling at your child because she subconsciously uses the English language as intended seems like a MN topic. AIBU that an adult yelled at my kid?

Secretusername3 · 13/11/2022 01:59

I don’t like that the thread was deleted. I saw no ‘off topic’ comments and it was supportive of the debate about whether we ‘have’ to conform to pronouns or not. I for was one was confused about what we would ‘get in trouble’ for - say at work - if I really felt uncomfortable about calling a biological man a she, even if they wanted it. It’s a really important topic I would say. What I didn’t realise was that mumsnet would judge this to be ‘not OK to debate’ and ‘get in trouble’ means we are not allowed to talk about this?

MumOnAMountain · 13/11/2022 01:51

Another one here asking why the discussion was so terrible that some people felt it had to be obliterated. I just saw women having a discussion about an issue that affects women and children.

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WallaceinAnderland · 13/11/2022 01:44

Yes, I would like to know what the terrible advice was too.

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ZombieMumEB · 13/11/2022 01:42

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Give us an example?

Pixiedust1234 · 13/11/2022 01:42

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

I missed the terrible advice. What was it so i (and others) know to avoid it in future.

SpiderToes · 13/11/2022 01:31

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Redebs · 13/11/2022 00:50

Exactly

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WallaceinAnderland · 13/11/2022 00:24

I'm sure it was helping the OP who was faced with the problem. I expect they've gone to bed and missed all the excellent supportive points. When women are faced with fear and confrontation at work, what better way to silence them than cut them off from support.

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beastlyslumber · 13/11/2022 00:20

Ffs. And they're "not sure this is helping anyone" Well it certainly isn't helping anyone when it's delected, is it.

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WallaceinAnderland · 13/11/2022 00:19

It must depend on mods. Otherwise we wouldn't get these random deletions and be so unsure of what we are allowed to discuss and what is censored.

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Pixiedust1234 · 13/11/2022 00:16

What is it that prompts a deletion?

I'm starting to think its a toss of a coin. The heads i win, tails you lose kind. Hope im wrong though.

Redebs · 13/11/2022 00:12

You can only discuss how women are affected by men pretending to be women, if you pretend they are women.

HootyMcboob76 · 13/11/2022 00:08

See this is what I'm not clear on.
I've seen plenty of threads where people assert that TW are NOT women.
I've seen people say so and so is a MAN (certain trans celebs and wannabee MPs etc)

This is allowed to stand usually.
Aren't we allowed to say that in law? Aren't GC beliefs protected under law?

What is it that prompts a deletion? It's never made explicit enough as far as I'm concerned. They might as well say "I'm deleting this because I don't like it" or "I personally disagree with you here so I'm deleting this".

What's the point of a specific sex and gender forum in which we are not allowed to actually discuss REAL sex and REAL gender then?
"Only enter this women's forum if you are prepared to pretend that you believe in legal and societal fictions and are prepared to commit to using the pre-accepted language, to deny biology and submit to compelled speech and center the feelings of natal men at all costs."

QueenHippolyta · 13/11/2022 00:07

Someone's having a tantrum because the mummies have stopped being kind.

Redebs · 13/11/2022 00:06

QueenHippolyta · 12/11/2022 23:54

Yes but women shouldn't be saying no to men

😂

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WallaceinAnderland · 12/11/2022 23:59

But the thread was about misgendering and posters were discussing the reasons for and against it. Absolutely no off topic. Unless you count the attempt to bring in racism briefly.

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RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 12/11/2022 23:56

Late to this but if threads are now being deleted for ‘wandering off topic’ then mumsnet is truly fucked

HootyMcboob76 · 12/11/2022 23:55

QueenHippolyta · 12/11/2022 23:54

Yes but women shouldn't be saying no to men

Especially if they are a member of the Sacred Caste.

QueenHippolyta · 12/11/2022 23:54

Yes but women shouldn't be saying no to men

Redebs · 12/11/2022 23:51

It was a discussion about sex and gender.
In a forum called
Feminism: Sex & gender discussion

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WallaceinAnderland · 12/11/2022 23:47

What topic did we wander into? 😕

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WallaceinAnderland · 12/11/2022 23:46

It didn't disappear for me

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