It totally did not wander off topic

WallaceinAnderland · 2022-11-12T23:31:09+00:00

It was bang on topic the whole way through.

Redebs · 14/11/2022 05:16

Haven't heard of Ovarit. Will Google

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 13/11/2022 23:27

Sorry - to be clear, the Ovarit person had posted a thread here on this part of Mumsnet, which resulted in her account being banned without warning.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 13/11/2022 23:26

There's someone posting on Ovarit saying her thread last night was deleted and her account was banned without any warning or explanation.

I won't link her thread because it wasn't posted on a public part of Ovarit, but the thread was called "Changing the Conversation."

Getting the strong impression that whoever was modding last night should have their keys taken away.

TheBiologyStupid · 13/11/2022 19:53

Ramblingnamechanger · 13/11/2022 15:19

I would very much like to discuss why women should be in trouble for voicing our concerns. Certainly we should know our rights and the law..

Absolutely: www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/4647904-web-chat-suggestion-qc-on-rights-when-approaching-or-being-approached-by-police

Ramblingnamechanger · 13/11/2022 15:19

I would very much like to discuss why women should be in trouble for voicing our concerns. Certainly we should know our rights and the law..

Redebs · 13/11/2022 15:08

@WallaceinAnderland thank goodness

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WallaceinAnderland · 13/11/2022 14:33

Redebs · 13/11/2022 11:48

That's horrendous.
How did we get to this place where children's education and development is diverted so blatantly to serve a niche paraphilia?
If anyone had said a few years back that encouraging small boys to wear drag or young girls to take testosterone would be a thing, most of us (including a good number of people with gender dysphoria, no doubt) would have been totally horrified.

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They did say it. And we were horrified. But a few years ago absolutely no-one would allow any discussion on this subject. No media would report it, not even when whistleblowers at the Tavistock GIDS clinic tried to speak out, instant bans on social media for individuals who questioned it.

MN was about the only place we could speak and it was heavily moderated. TRAs tried to get MN shut down, targeted advertisers and doxxed Justine. They fought so hard to keep it secret but it's all out there now and, thankfully, little by little the ideology is being challenged.

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ReedRite · 13/11/2022 11:56

I was reading the thread with interest last night, till it went poof. I was baffled by the explanation from MN as to why - it just didn’t make sense.

If MN delete a thread people have put time and effort into reading and commenting on because they’re ’not sure it’s helping anyone’ and Mnetters message them to say actually they did find it helpful, it should be reinstated, right?

I’d also be interested in seeing the criteria the mods use to determine if they should become ‘unsure’ if a thread is helpful.

Redebs · 13/11/2022 11:55

Thelnebriati · 13/11/2022 11:49

Robust discussion for all!
not that discussion.

Truth.

Thelnebriati · 13/11/2022 11:49

Robust discussion for all!
not that discussion.

Redebs · 13/11/2022 11:48

TheBiologyStupid · 13/11/2022 09:57

Of course it's kids - they use a similar "gender unicorn", too. These ideologues really need to be kept out of schools.

That's horrendous.
How did we get to this place where children's education and development is diverted so blatantly to serve a niche paraphilia?
If anyone had said a few years back that encouraging small boys to wear drag or young girls to take testosterone would be a thing, most of us (including a good number of people with gender dysphoria, no doubt) would have been totally horrified.

Tallisker · 13/11/2022 11:18

A Whitehall mandarin is a senior civil servant who advises government. Like Sir Humphrey for those old enough to remember Yes Minister

QueenHippolyta · 13/11/2022 11:00

The gist was; a business cannot compel speech and for the OP to avoid the bearded (yes!) bloke who wanted to be called by she/her pronouns. And to use the person's name instead.
We pretty much agreed this is a prime example of coercive control; a male forcing females to deny reality.
Lucy Hunter Blackburn just wrote about this.

TheBiologyStupid · 13/11/2022 09:59

Forgot the link: go2tutors.com/gender-unicorn/

TheBiologyStupid · 13/11/2022 09:57

Of course it's kids - they use a similar "gender unicorn", too. These ideologues really need to be kept out of schools.

Redebs · 13/11/2022 09:38

@Secretusername3 whom are they teaching with that model? Certainly hope it's not kids!

Secretusername3 · 13/11/2022 03:06

Oh my I have just googled ‘Genderbread’

It is an actual thing. WTF?!

It is a gingerbread man used as a ‘teaching tool’ to break down understanding gender identity. Identity if ‘the brain’. Sex is apparently not located in the brain… it is only in the genital region. Attraction is ‘the heart’.

And apparently all are on a spectrum so you can have all sorts of combinations, from this gingerbread. From. From 0 to 100.

I really don’t buy any of that. It chucks away most of science for a start and is just a pseudo belief system around an edible biscuit.

Sorry… I just realised… gingerbread… person?!

Secretusername3 · 13/11/2022 02:58

Thanks for that, I never knew that.

It was an interesting if bonkers article - it was like reading an alternate strange future where a new religion have taken hold but it really does exist.

Pixiedust1234 · 13/11/2022 02:48

Secretusername3 · 13/11/2022 02:26

A genderbread diagram of 100 identities?

Also, is it just me but what is a mandarin?!

COUNTABLE NOUN

Journalists sometimes use mandarin to refer to someone who has an important job in the Civil Service. www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mandarin

Aka a bureaucrat.

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WallaceinAnderland · 13/11/2022 02:34

“We think it’s important not to confuse sex with gender identity because confusion undermines our ability to protect everyone’s rights.”

Well quite

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WallaceinAnderland · 13/11/2022 02:33

Secretusername3 · 13/11/2022 02:26

A genderbread diagram of 100 identities?

Also, is it just me but what is a mandarin?!

I have no idea. A typo? Not very professional.

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MumOnAMountain · 13/11/2022 02:30

It was a lively thread. I read four pages of it, and then clicked on the fifth page, but it told me Mumsnet had cancelled it.

MumOnAMountain · 13/11/2022 02:26

So who are Mumsnet employing as Moderators tonight, that they have the power to delete a very informative and productive thread on women's rights?

Secretusername3 · 13/11/2022 02:26

A genderbread diagram of 100 identities?

Also, is it just me but what is a mandarin?!

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WallaceinAnderland · 13/11/2022 02:15

We are not the only ones discussing this. It really does not need to be censored.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/civil-servants-fight-back-to-defend-binary-biological-sex/ar-AA142dWU?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6f1b3529303648c0a952ede4f3b77ccd

Telegraph article.

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