Munroe Bergdorf has a Glamour Woman of the Year award

It depends on your worldview, I am not of the opinion that people can change sex - it's biological. That is a given but I am also not going to antagonise someone's preferred identity - I gain nothing from calling transwomen men in dresses or whatever. I have no dog in the fight. I do however have huge interest in and quite an extensive background in race-related issues; so when she spoke about (the difficulties, among other things) about being mixed race I completely resonated with it. Some people wouldn't give a shiny shit about her race, or indeed race issues at large, but for me it's massively important.

Genuine question, if a person like Bergdorf is so openly lying about having a “woman” identity, how does anyone take anything Bergdorf says to be true about any other aspects of Bergdorf’s identity?

Personally, once a male claims to be a woman, I assume everything else they speak could also be complete horseshit as well.

The idea that femininity is silly and trivial so it doesn't matter what happens to the women who work in the beauty or fashion industries, if they're pushed out by men. Or that women who care about beauty and fashion (which is many women, especially young women, at least to some extent) shouldn't expect to not be mocked by males pretending to be them.

Well said. It's not the first time I've seen this attitude on FWR and it never fails to piss me off.

Fair bit of misogyny (? not sure what else to call it?) on this thread. The idea that femininity is silly and trivial so it doesn't matter what happens to the women who work in the beauty or fashion industries, if they're pushed out by men. Or that women who care about beauty and fashion (which is many women, especially young women, at least to some extent) shouldn't expect to not be mocked by males pretending to be them.

There's nothing inherently silly or trivial about any aspect of being a woman, including femininity. But even if you are not remotely interested in these areas of life then there is a basic lie being told here, i.e. that a man is a woman. And that's just wrong.

I was referring to her speaking about her racial identity - I really empathised with a lot of what she said.

Forgot to add photo 🤦MB doesn't seem to be very tolerant towards gay women (and men) 🤷

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The awards do cover a few categories not just media / acting /celebrity types. Last year Bernadine Evaristo, Naomi Osaka and Vivienne Westwood were among the named people so it’s not all about femininity.

Having said that, anything for women should be for women. I don’t care if it’s rear of the year or best porn star, if it’s a female category it should be for adult human females. These men are basically trying to say they can ‘woman’ better than women can and they can do one.

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It would be nice if Glamour just changed the name of the award to "best jumping-through-hoops performance of femininity," and we could all be honest about what is actually being rewarded.

It would also give young women pause - you can jump through hoops too and men can still out perform you, or you can just learn to be comfortable in your own skin and not buy Glamour magazine.

Ah, 'Glamour' - I'm indebted to Terry Pratchett's elves for reminding me what the word means.

www.wordnik.com/words/glamour

Transwomen aren't women but for sure some have glamour.

Hear hear 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

"best female impression of a wombat"
😂😂
That tickled me.

Plastic surgery can do wonders!

And it’s pretty flipping easy to pick out the sexes of the people in this photo

Bergdoff is a man and therefore shouldn’t be winning any awards for women whether it’s best female hairstyle, best female speaker or best female impression of a wombat. Women’s awards are for women not men who demanded women didn’t wear pussy hats to women’s marches because they were excluding

So it's a stupid award. Point is, it's a stupid award for women, not males who claim to be women. Some women think sport is stupid, others think beauty contests are stupid. Makes no difference. Men/boys are not and cannot become women/girls for any purpose. Every instance of this attack on women's existence as a sex class must be resisted.

Ffs!

if it’s about being a game changer in some way why not “person of the year” and open it to all?

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I’m not really sure what this award is all about-

Munroe said that 'centering reproductive systems in a Women's March is reductive and exclusionary'. What's to like about that?

Munroe is also one for appropriating the terrible experiences of South American sex workers to push their own agenda. They tweeted that 'as a trans woman of colour my like expectancy is 30'. Which is disingenous bullshit.

But of course it wouldn't be a 'Women's Awards' ceremony if a male wasn't winning at least one award.

I'm not sure what your approval of the industry concerned has to do with whether or not women's awards should go to women?