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Munroe Bergdorf has a Glamour Woman of the Year award

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AngeloMysterioso · 12/11/2022 02:36

GLAMOUR and UOMA Beauty's Beauty Game-Changer of the year apparently.

Guess they couldn’t find any actual women deserving of the accolade… wonder how hard they looked?

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Farmageddon · 17/11/2022 19:13

Theeyeballsinthesky · 17/11/2022 18:41

i imagine part of the reason MB manages to elbow their way in everywhere is because I imagine they have the hide of a rhinoceros and won’t take no for an answer

True, they are also part of the 'right' identity group, which is being promoted above everything else these days.
I guess it takes balls of steel (ahem) to manoeuvre their way into to most prominent situations, all while taking that place away from a woman. Very frustrating.

ApocalipstickNow · 17/11/2022 18:42

If anyone wants a nearly 50 year old to challenge stereotypes by sipping bubbly on a yacht I’m prepared to take one for the team.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 17/11/2022 18:41

i imagine part of the reason MB manages to elbow their way in everywhere is because I imagine they have the hide of a rhinoceros and won’t take no for an answer

SkinOfTeeth · 17/11/2022 15:26

As this is a conference focussing on how brands and the advertising industries can challenge stereotypes, I'm guessing MB will focus more generally on trans (trans women mainly) representation, 'queerness' and anti-racism. But mainly it will be all about the trans. The conference has just started and it's all about "Women and girls' so far. No mention of 'and all those who identify as ...' yet.

And MB's book has materialised! Announced yesterday and out next February. Can't wait. Am sure photos of MB at UN HQ will feature heavily. How on earth have they manoeuvred themselves into this position? 8 years ago they were hostessing/DJ-ing and appearing in a reality show called 'Drag Queens of London'.

Helleofabore · 17/11/2022 15:04

Yeah. But gorgeous, right?

ScreamingMeMe · 17/11/2022 15:00

BedTaker · 12/11/2022 08:31

Munroe said that 'centering reproductive systems in a Women's March is reductive and exclusionary'. What's to like about that?

Munroe is also one for appropriating the terrible experiences of South American sex workers to push their own agenda. They tweeted that 'as a trans woman of colour my like expectancy is 30'. Which is disingenous bullshit.

But of course it wouldn't be a 'Women's Awards' ceremony if a male wasn't winning at least one award.

Don't forget the homophobia and encouraging kids to message Monroe privately.

Farmageddon · 17/11/2022 14:53

The UN is a joke at this stage....this is nothing more than a validation exercise for MB.
If this person was going to do a talk about challenging stereotypes for men, and expanding what it means to be a man, I would applaud them. But this is a farce.

Helleofabore · 17/11/2022 13:44

SkinOfTeeth · 17/11/2022 13:18

OK so 'Gamechanger' MB is about to talk at The United Nations HQ in New York as a spokesperson for UN Women. They've chosen MB to talk at their conference, 'Un-Stereotype Alliance' on #RaisingtheBar to 'forge an unstereotyped world and create equality for all'.

How exactly does Munroe challenge all the stereotypes of what a woman should be (beyond the obvious)?! Regular Lipfillers, cosmetically enhanced breasts, facial fillers, bottom and hip implants, Botox - glossy magazine/social media photographs in designer frocks, diamonds, lingerie, latex, nipple pasties, high heels, posing on yachts in bikinis while sipping champagne etc ...

Really, really challenging stereotypes there. How, exactly?

Can't wait to hear what MB has to say. I bet we will hear the words 'intersectionality', "nuance', 'empowerment', body 'positivity', 'autonomy', and, if they get a chance, 'protect trans kids'.

UN-women indeed.

Yes.

How exactly does Munroe challenge all the stereotypes of what a woman should be (beyond the obvious)?! Regular Lipfillers, cosmetically enhanced breasts, facial fillers, bottom and hip implants, Botox - glossy magazine/social media photographs in designer frocks, diamonds, lingerie, latex, nipple pasties, high heels, posing on yachts in bikinis while sipping champagne etc ...

Because fulfilling the very stereotypes that females have worked hard to detach from being female is so empowering for males, isn't it?

That to do it they have to have such extreme surgery that their face is literally, not figuratively, peeled off their skull. Then bones shaved down and implants and fillers too complete the look. And that is just the face.

We didn't need any more evidence that UN Women was trolling females, but they delivered by the truck load so no one could ignore it.

SkinOfTeeth · 17/11/2022 13:18

OK so 'Gamechanger' MB is about to talk at The United Nations HQ in New York as a spokesperson for UN Women. They've chosen MB to talk at their conference, 'Un-Stereotype Alliance' on #RaisingtheBar to 'forge an unstereotyped world and create equality for all'.

How exactly does Munroe challenge all the stereotypes of what a woman should be (beyond the obvious)?! Regular Lipfillers, cosmetically enhanced breasts, facial fillers, bottom and hip implants, Botox - glossy magazine/social media photographs in designer frocks, diamonds, lingerie, latex, nipple pasties, high heels, posing on yachts in bikinis while sipping champagne etc ...

Really, really challenging stereotypes there. How, exactly?

Can't wait to hear what MB has to say. I bet we will hear the words 'intersectionality', "nuance', 'empowerment', body 'positivity', 'autonomy', and, if they get a chance, 'protect trans kids'.

UN-women indeed.

WandaWomblesaurus · 13/11/2022 13:54

There's nothing game changing about extreme plastic surgery, wigs, so much makeup your face is caked and swishing about in designer gowns.

Helleofabore · 13/11/2022 07:36

But gorgeous! Right?

ResisterRex · 13/11/2022 06:19

Clearly both L'Oreal and the UK Labour Party did find these words bigoted though, since they resulted in the person saying them being dropped or having to step down:

white people’s "entire existence is drenched in racism".

Or at the very least, neither wanted to be publicly associated with the person.

Very interesting that none of the MB defenders care to engage on the child safeguarding failures. Children matter way less than defending this particular person to the hilt.

Delphinium20 · 13/11/2022 05:14

ErrolTheDragon · 12/11/2022 08:52

Ah, 'Glamour' - I'm indebted to Terry Pratchett's elves for reminding me what the word means.

www.wordnik.com/words/glamour

Transwomen aren't women but for sure some have glamour.

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WandaWomblesaurus · 13/11/2022 00:43

The sad thing is that MB will never really know what it's like. All the plastic surgery and posturing, all the dresses and accolades. All the getting away with saying outrageous things about women.
MB will never know.

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elgreco · 13/11/2022 00:06

Vladimir, sorry you never said that but I honestly can't understand how you admire someone who buys into the stereotypical white women beauty myth.

You wouldn't extoll Michael Jackson as an image for black male beauty. Not saying he wasn't a great singer songwriter. Munroe shouldn't be held up as an example of a beautiful mixed race woman.

Helleofabore · 13/11/2022 00:04

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JubileeTrifle · 12/11/2022 23:54

I don’t understand why so many brands/companies want to disengage with their core audience…actual women.
At the end of the day all this is about is money. When profits suffer, things will change again.

NotBadConsidering · 12/11/2022 23:45

But it still hasn’t been explained how one is meant to believe Bergdorf when Bergdorf talks about their own personal experiences of race when Bergdorf clearly lies about other aspects of their life.

With Blair, you can see his actions on child poverty and compare his actions on the war in Iraq.

With Bergdorf, we have words coming out of Bergdorf’s mouth that are demonstrably false: “I am a woman”, yet we are supposed to believe the words coming out of Bergdorf’s mouth that start with “Here’s my experience of race”. Why?

It’s not just Bergdorf. If any male claiming such an audacious lie about their sex claims anything, I’m inclined to take a skeptical view first. If Eddie Izzard did the weather report saying it was going to be sunny, I’d take an umbrella.

I just don’t understand how anyone can put any unquestioning stock in anything said by someone so determined to try and convince the world about something so fundamentally false.

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 12/11/2022 23:41

VladmirsPoutine · 12/11/2022 21:21

@ResisterRex To me no it doesn't but I knew when those words were uttered the show was absolutely over. Thing is when you live in a country which was built on the slave labour of your ancestors, when your country of origin was enslaved and your ancestors were subjugated and treated as subhuman it does have affect on you. When people naively or oftentimes conveniently think racism is of a bygone era but for some odd reason people who look like you are more likely to end up dead during childbirth, arrested/harassed by authorities or when you go for countless interviews and are told you are lovely but 'wouldn't be a good fit' it does make you wonder. Even small things like when your friends want to plan a weekend getaway but then you remember the destination would render you in a very awkward position where you'd be the 'only black' in the whole village thus the holiday would be less relaxing and more anxiety inducing. The thing is even at work when they do their D&I initiatives in October I tend to just smile and nod because offering up my opinion would render me jobless and I have quite a penchant for Chanel Smile And that small matter of having young black nieces who from a scarily early age hated their blackness and wanted to be more like 'the blonde barbie' because in their eyes nothing about them was regarded as pretty.

Great post

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 12/11/2022 23:37

I think Munroe's comments about race were raw and strong and probably true. I think it's wrong that Munroe was dropped by L'Oréal for saying that

Do I think Munroe should get a Woman of the Year award? No, because they were not born a woman

yes, you can agree with one thing but not everything

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 12/11/2022 23:34

ResisterRex · 12/11/2022 21:10

Vladamir perhaps you missed it but I posted upthread about Bergdorf and race, who was dropped by L'Oreal and then "stepped down" from a Labour post.

Does it sound bigoted to say that:

white people’s "entire existence is drenched in racism".

?

Here's the source:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/controversial-race-row-model-munroe-bergdorf-resigns-as-lgbt-advisor-to-labour

I'm not @VladmirsPoutine but that doesn't sound bigoted to me.
I think there's truth embedded in the comment.
I say this as someone who is white.

ZeldaFighter · 12/11/2022 23:33

VladmirsPoutine · 12/11/2022 23:23

@elgreco Where have I denied that Munroe is "less black looking"?

This part you say here: "but simultaneously deny that they are visually less black looking."

Can you tell me where I said that because you'd need to report me there for making a racist comment.

I get your take. I really like Tony Blair for his work to eliminate child poverty. I don't care about the Iraq war. Many people disagree with me.

I think Munroe's comments about race were raw and strong and probably true. I think it's wrong that Munroe was dropped by L'Oréal for saying that.

Do I think Munroe should get a Woman of the Year award? No, because they were not born a woman.

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 12/11/2022 23:29

VladmirsPoutine · 12/11/2022 21:50

I really do see why posters moan about threads from this topic coming up on Active. It's a cesspit.

Yep

VladmirsPoutine · 12/11/2022 23:23

@elgreco Where have I denied that Munroe is "less black looking"?

This part you say here: "but simultaneously deny that they are visually less black looking."

Can you tell me where I said that because you'd need to report me there for making a racist comment.

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