Page 2 | Women lose to transgender person women's beauty pageant

ZeldaFighter · 2022-11-11T14:24:37+00:00

No more words necessary https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/biological-male-wins-miss-greater-derry-beauty-pageant-america-transgender

OchonAgusOchonOh · 11/11/2022 19:52

Longbarn5 · 11/11/2022 19:21

If someone has female genitalia it doesnt necessarily mean they identify as female in gender and vice versa. They may identify as Male or other choices but this is all very complex so i wont start on that here. We all have opinions on these things I guess

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Nobody can identify as female in gender, because female refers to sex, as does male. Sex is based on biology. Gender is a societal concept that has traditionally mapped to sex.

Anyway, you still haven't answered my question - what does psychologically female mean?

Wellies54 · 11/11/2022 19:44

@Longbarn5
It is possible to define how someone is biologically female.
Please can you define how someone can be 'psychologically female'? How can this be measured?
Perhaps you also have an understanding of what it means to 'live as a woman ' which you could explain. So far no one has attempted to explain so I'm curious to find out.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/11/2022 19:32

lifeturnsonadime · 11/11/2022 19:29

www.stonewall.org.uk/list-lgbtq-terms

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

Crossdresser comes under trans umbrella.

Maybe report your post and ask them lifeturnsonadime ?
It's always worth noting which threads are relentlessly targeted for reporting - and they're often those that demonstrate the glorious inconsistencies

lifeturnsonadime · 11/11/2022 19:31

www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/transvestite#:~:text=transvestite-,noun,Word%20Origin

transvestite noun

/trænzˈvestaɪt/

/trænzˈvestaɪt/
a person, especially a man, who enjoys dressing in clothes usually worn by the opposite sex
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lifeturnsonadime · 11/11/2022 19:29

www.stonewall.org.uk/list-lgbtq-terms

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

Crossdresser comes under trans umbrella.

lifeturnsonadime · 11/11/2022 19:27

Why are mumsnet deleting posts about transvestites coming under the trans umbrella. That's what Stonewall says?

lifeturnsonadime · 11/11/2022 19:26

Longbarn5 · 11/11/2022 19:21

If someone has female genitalia it doesnt necessarily mean they identify as female in gender and vice versa. They may identify as Male or other choices but this is all very complex so i wont start on that here. We all have opinions on these things I guess

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But you said it's not the same as transvestism?

How so?

It's 'all a bit complex' is a a bit of a cop out when you seemed so sure of yourself in your first post.

mrshoho · 11/11/2022 19:22

For fucks sake! What an absolute farce. Feel sorry for the other contestants who stood no bloody chance. How they can stand and smile with the winner I don't get. Do the judges really believe this person was a worthy winner?

Longbarn5 · 11/11/2022 19:21

OchonAgusOchonOh · 11/11/2022 19:14

What does psychologically female mean? Female refers to sex.

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If someone has female genitalia it doesnt necessarily mean they identify as female in gender and vice versa. They may identify as Male or other choices but this is all very complex so i wont start on that here. We all have opinions on these things I guess

DysonSpheres · 11/11/2022 19:19

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LondonWolf · 11/11/2022 19:18

Longbarn5 · 11/11/2022 19:01

A transgender person, Male to female is psychologically female and will identify as female. If they were transvestite that would of course be a different matter

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OchonAgusOchonOh · 11/11/2022 19:14

Longbarn5 · 11/11/2022 19:01

A transgender person, Male to female is psychologically female and will identify as female. If they were transvestite that would of course be a different matter

What does psychologically female mean? Female refers to sex.

Taswama · 11/11/2022 19:10

I don't like objectification but I like a man taking a scholarship place away from a woman even less.

MichaelFabricantWig · 11/11/2022 19:08

Longbarn5 · 11/11/2022 19:01

A transgender person, Male to female is psychologically female and will identify as female. If they were transvestite that would of course be a different matter

Why is it different?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/11/2022 19:04

Longbarn5 · 11/11/2022 19:01

A transgender person, Male to female is psychologically female and will identify as female. If they were transvestite that would of course be a different matter

What do you mean by "psychologically female" @Longbarn5? Can you explain this?

And the difference between this and "transvestite" would be ever so helpful as well.
Thanks

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lifeturnsonadime · 11/11/2022 19:02

eurochick · 11/11/2022 18:07

Isn't Derry where all the weird shit starts in Stephen King books? Hmmm.

Yes but that Derry is fictional!

DysonSpheres · 11/11/2022 19:02

Longbarn5 · 11/11/2022 19:01

A transgender person, Male to female is psychologically female and will identify as female. If they were transvestite that would of course be a different matter

I don't understand. Can you explain further?

Longbarn5 · 11/11/2022 19:01

A transgender person, Male to female is psychologically female and will identify as female. If they were transvestite that would of course be a different matter

lifeturnsonadime · 11/11/2022 19:01

bellinisurge · 11/11/2022 15:05

Brian won because Brian is stunning an brave and all the judges were scared of being called transphobic if they picked a healthy looking boring old women

This.

DysonSpheres · 11/11/2022 18:55

ReunitedThorns · 11/11/2022 15:45

I am amazed at the hypocrisy shown, any other woman's event won by a man and there would be outrage, but because it's a beauty pageant the outrage is much less.

Not really a consistent view on being opposed to men competing in women's events.

This. It only matters when it women doing things feminism agrees with.

ReunitedThorns · 11/11/2022 18:50

Of course there's a lot of hypocrisy with this.

Imagine seeing this person in the loos after winning the event? He could legitimately say "well I am a woman because you let me win the beauty pageant", you can't then say "well I don't care about beauty pageants, but I care about this now". I can imagine the headlines "Outrage over transgender beauty pageant winner using women's toilets".

Or imagine those girls who missed out, you can't say to them "well if he was swimming against you I would have a massive problem with it, but because it's a beauty pageant I don't care".

This person can't even be considered attractive, so he hasn't won it on the basis of looks, only because of the trans card. So it's even worse than competitive sports.

hamstersarse · 11/11/2022 18:45

When I saw the picture I had a strange urge to turn into some geezer type down the building site and start shouting…..munter, what a minger, I’d need 10 pints for that one….

it’s only what women have to put up with and seeing as he’s Fully A Woman, you can have geezer from the building site too 🤷‍♀️

caramac04 · 11/11/2022 18:44

ReunitedThorns · 11/11/2022 15:05

I remember the outrage when Trump used to run an international beauty pageant, and he was against a trans contestant (who admittedly was attractive).

But surely this just shows how ridiculous trans virtue signalling is getting, because he isn't attractive as male or female. He is an overweight man, who has been judged to be more stunning and brave than all of those girls.

perfectly said