US woman sues after 'gender affirming' double mastectomy

Absolutely agree with this.

Thank you for responding. When I said unable to have children, I didn’t mean as a result of the abortion, just that later they ended up not being able to have more children and regret their choice.

Even if I left that bit out, a woman could have an abortion and then regret it. It is irreversible. Why is that not comparable?

Hmm this is an odd one. If she claims she has mental health issues that's why she had the surgery, surely anyone else wanting to sue will have to admit to the same despite the chant of "we're not crazy, we just want to be what we feel" shouted by other trans groups

It's also probably the age around which women start to wonder about starting a family.

There's nothing like the issue of getting pregnant to focus you on what you can expect from your biology.

Children are being taught that they can change sex and are coming home from school to announce it to their parents.

This case is what we reap when we sow a culture of lies. This is why biological facts matter.

That's not an accurate analogy. The purpose of an abortion is not to render the woman infertile, it is to terminate the pregnancy that exists at that moment. Infertility would be a rare but unfortunate side effect of the surgery going wrong, it is not the desired outcome.

There is no possible outcome of a radical double mastectomy but to remove the breasts, and therefore the potential functionality to breastfeed.

I continue to ask, as I have for years, what is the diagnostic criteria that allows doctors or psychologists to recognise which gender-non-conforming children referred to them as 'trans' will desist and which will not. Because if there is no such robust diagnostic tool available, then it is abhorrent that irreversible surgery that permanently removes young people's fertility or ability to breastfeed is being performed on some kind of lottery, best guess basis after the most perfunctory consultations. Every doctor performing such surgeries off the back of a nebulous, impossible to define ideology should be struck off. It is fucking disgusting that a generation of young people are being turned into lab rats because of an ideology driven by [redacted to avoid deletion].

It is significant though that in all three cases we now know of, that the claimants were late 20s or in their 30s getting treatments.

Maybe it is because they are older that they have the courage and bravery to withstand the stress of the trials. I mean, Keira Bell is bloody amazing for taking on what she did!!! These three people are also very brave to do it.

The other significance is that the discussion has been usually focused on teens and decisions made as teens. This is another layer. That vulnerable adults are being caught up here too.

This will have to force the discussion in the relevant countries and internationally about the disconnection of transitioning from mental health. As far as I can see, this is been to the detriment to too many trans people.

I wonder if in the future, there will need to be a huge amount of work on what gender dysphoria is, and how to diagnose it and that only those with severe enough cases get surgical treatments.

I don't know. It's a completely different situation isn't it and really not genuinely comparable but I suppose if it could be argued that their mental health meant they lacked the ability to make an informed choice and that they were not given the information they needed to have in order to understand the implications of the operation or were unable to absorb that information as given. 🤷

No.

People are asking on social media whether or not transwomen can have periods and get pregnant. This is males, with neither uterus nor eggs.

This is what happens when you pretend sex doesn't exist.

This is what happens when men make endless videos on YouTube saying they are women and do absolutely experience periods.

This is what happens when men try to take a cocktail of drugs in order to claim that they are just as capable of breastfeeding as women.

This is what happens when high profile transwomen claim they have a cervix.

Children are being taught that they can change sex and are coming home from school to announce it to their parents.

A surgeon in America was challenged with all the mastectomies she was doing, and replied with, well if I cut their breasts off, they can always go and buy some more.

I have absolutely no doubt that this woman did not realise the implications of what she was doing. She thought she was neither male nor female, ffs, and everyone affirmed that!

Exactly. If you can have girl-dick why can't you have boy-breasts?

Looking at this doctor’s ad on TikTok, it may be that the doctors carrying out these procedures are also mentally ill…

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11303919/Florida-sex-change-surgeon-dubs-Dr-Teetus-Deletus-REPORTED-consumer-watchdog.html

I think a generation of youngsters is growing up believing breasts are just bouncy castles for men.

Yes. Having a very ambiguous conversion therapy ban will mean that there will be less talking therapy.

Could the same argument be made for someone who's had an abortion and then goes on to regret it/finds they are unable to have more children?

If you're going to perform mutilating, irreversible surgery on a healthy person, you would need to be damn sure of

a) what the surgery is going to do to improve their lot (evidenced based)

b) that there aren't other less invasive approaches that would achieve the same ends

c) that the patient fully understands the implications of what they're consenting to and are able to give that consent.

In this case, there's an argument that none of those conditions were achieved.

This is absolutely on the health professionals btw. First, do not harm. There is a Hippocratic oath for a reason.

There will be a tsunami is these cases soon. It's going to be horrifying. And the medical profession's reputation will be seriously impacted.

And by blind spot I mean that they suspend reality in order to satisfy the belief.

Good.

I expect the inevitable lawsuits from people who were mutilated as children will have higher success rates than those who were operated on as adults because the issue of capacity is far far clearer and therefore more difficult for defence lawyers to argue about.

I suppose if at the time she was convinced that she would never want to have children - being trans and therefore not a woman - it might not have been in her mind. And back to the affirmation only approach, if no one challenged her on the reality of losing her breasts, some of the responsibility is on them, surely?

Didn't Freddie McConnell have a similar problem in that she was disappointed she couldn't breastfeed the children she had due to having had a double mastectomy? It seems to be a real blind spot in people who are so deep into this ideology.

@AngeloMysterioso the much publicised UK trans activist Freddy Mcconnell recently tweeted that Freddy didn't realise removing Freddy's breasts, including nipples, meant Freddy would be unable to breastfeed.

If I got a tattoo and then changed my mind about it, how far would I get if I sued the tattoo artist for disfiguring my body ffs 🙄

The more accurate analogy is, if the tattoo artist is in a position of authority and has convinced someone, with mental health issues, that having a life altering, extreme and damaging tattoo is necessary in order for them to become neither male nor female.

This girl identifies as non-binary. There's no such thing. It's a completely made up concept which is being pushed as legitimate enough to have life altering surgery to achieve.

People wondering whether or not she should just accept her own decision are missing the massive issue that her decision is based on a society wide fantasy that particularly targets vulnerable individuals.

Except that the UK criminal courts have found that having consent from the patient is not a defence for body modifiers, and they cannot remove healthy ears, split tongues without expecting a jail sentence: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/21/tattooist-dr-evil-jailed-for-performing-ear-and-nipple-removals

What is the difference between removing breasts at the patient's request and removing an ear? The only difference I can see is that one was done by qualified doctors and the other by a body modifier.