Legal action against Eventbrite for unlawful discrimination

I was asked to give examples. Trans women can also be legally excluded from certain sports under the EA2010, for example.And I'm not reducing women to their reproductive organs, that's a gender critical schtick. People who are pregnant go to pregnancy support groups. Pregnancy doesn't make a person a woman. Not all people who are pregnant are women.

People who are a danger to other inmates should be treated accordingly, but not filtered based on their gender identity. If you were truly worried about the danger to women from men in prisons you'd be advocating for the removal of male staff, and the separation of all dangerous inmates, but your entire focus is on trans women. The idea that you object to them because "they are men" is disingenuous.

No,referrring to people who are not transgender as not transgender is not misgendering. Referring to someone who is not trasngender as transgender (which is a problem for GNC people when they are confronted by GC people in toilets) is.

Just read that back. Obviously meant 'and not making people tell a lie by ignoring the evidence in front of their own eyes'.

You do have to laugh (bitterly) at the 'if 'cis' women want single sex services, they should set them up themselves'.

They did. They were colonised.

If they try to now, they are demonised as 'transphobic' - the I am Sarah case being a prime example.

If they try to stay single sex (using the exemptions available to them), their funding is cut because they are 'not inclusive enough'.

My objection to the ridiculous use of the word cis (a Latin prefix which was co-opted by social scientists in the mid 1990's to reduce women into a subset of their own sex class) is the deeply hypocritical rudeness of those who insist that referring to someone by the correct pronoun (and in doing so, making them tell a lie by ignoring the evidence in front of their own eyes) is literal violence while referring to women by a nonsense term which they have been explicitly asked not to use.

And as for 'non men'...

But lots of TRAs dishonestly say that gender-critical people are the opposite - that they WANT gender conformity. We are not the people saying that aspects of your personality/soul/whatever determines what sex you are 'aligned with'....

Ironically women saying "NO" and 'FUCK OFF" to men is far more gender non conforming than a man growing his hair & getting fake tits. But TRAs dehumanise women by refusing to acknowledge their experiences and inner lives at all. Appearance and the opinions of men are all that matters.

Missexing is deliberately using the wrong pronouns to refer to an individual.

Absolutely.

Just to be clear, as it seems not everyone realises: 'cis' means 'same side' (apparently). It means you have some aspect of your personality/soul/whatever that 'matches' your sex.

In practical terms, what does it mean for a personality to match a sex?

Just to be clear, as it seems not everyone realises: 'cis' means 'same side' (apparently). It means you have some aspect of your personality/soul/whatever that 'matches' your sex.

I absolutely reject the notion that your sex directly determines your personality - that there even is a set of characteristics that 'match' male and a separate set that 'match' female. There are a few exceptions borne out by data - discussed in depth on other threads so don't want to derail here - but saying 'if you are good at maths that means you are probably one sex and not the other' (for example) is ludicrous.

Sure, by socialisation and sexism in society you can be shaped, but I don't think that this - which amounts to 'gender conformity' - is a good or necessary thing, and the more we can get away from assuming 'men are like this and women are like this', the more equal society will be.

But lots of TRAs dishonestly say that gender-critical people are the opposite - that they WANT gender conformity. We are not the people saying that aspects of your personality/soul/whatever determines what sex you are 'aligned with'....

No it isn't. It's referring to them by the 'gender' they don't identify as.

Pronouns is one way of doing this.

Actually calling them the completely wrong gender is another way, obvs.

You need to keep up with the logic.

single-sex spaces which meet the EA2010 criteria easily are support groups for pregnant people and ailments which only affect people with female reproductive systems. Perhaps instead of attacking existing rape crisis centres, well funded GC people could set up support groups for cis women with this exception. The important thing is that the EA2010 doesn't oblige anyone to do this - it merely permits it.

@DadJoke Are you thinking that it wasn't women who originally set up these crisis centres in the first place? Also we aren't cis anything. We are women.

@DadJoke do you agree with trans guidance that if you 'reject gender identification completely' you are agender?

Weren't Eventbrite meant to get back by the 16th? Either 'Sorry' or 'We'll see you in court'?

Calling me a cis woman is claiming that I have a woman/feminine gender identity.
I don't believe I do. Did you not understand that was what people meant?

The lack of logic on this thread is doing my head in.

Perhaps instead of attacking existing rape crisis centres, well funded GC people could set up support groups for cis women with this exception.

You aren't advocating for male cleaners to be removed from toilets, or male staff from prisons, even though your ostensible reason for fearing transgender women is "because they are men".

Misgendering is deliberately using the wrong pronouns to refer to an individual...So it’s really disingenuous imho to pretend that the term cis-woman is a form of misgendering.

Please try and think further than the end of your sentence. Go on, make the next step...

Ciswoman is an offensive label foisted on women. Nice DARVO saying that objecting is being provocative.

@Onnabugeisha 'Cis woman' is a gender identity, women on this board don't have a gender identity, so calling us 'cis' assigns us a gender identity we do not have, that is it 'misgenders' us. Does that help?

If you are cisgender you are not transgender. If you accept that transgender people exist, then whatever you think of them, a word for people who aren't when you are dicussing transgender people makes sense. Even if you think religion is bunk, atheist is still a useful word.

No.

Cisgender is not the equivalent of atheist.

Cisgender/transgender is more like Protestant/Catholic. Atheists are neither.

Single-sex spaces which meet the EA2010 criteria easily are support groups for pregnant people and ailments which only affect people with female reproductive systems.

So the female reproductive system exists? You are presumably including trans men and AFAB non-binary people as having a female reproductive system?

That must mean that TW have a male reproductive system?

Bit transphobic.

single-sex spaces which meet the EA2010 criteria easily are support groups for pregnant people and ailments which only affect people with female reproductive system

Nice to know that women are only entitled to single sex spaces if we are performing our reproductive duty!
Dadjokeobviously quite happy to have male sex offenders in female prisons and refuges. Who cares about the women in these places, certainly not Dadjoke.

So @DadJoke you are persisting in misgendering people who have told you they are neither cis or trans? Isn’t misgendering literal violence? You may use those words about yourself if you so wish, that’s your prerogative, but to be fair, I’d be slightly worried about using a term coined by a pedophile apologist. I think it’s bad enough for the gender ideologists that the term gender and the way in which they use as they know it was coined by John Money, who they never seem to want to reference for some reason, but to use a term coined by Volkmar Sirtusch, who’s work with Schmidt on the premise that sexual intercourse with adults was not necessarily bad for children, seems rather dodgy. I’d rather not be called anything coined by a pedophile apologist but you do you. I always say you can judge people by the language they use….

Gender critical people /== women.

If you are cisgender you are not transgender. If you accept that transgender people exist, then whatever you think of them, a word for people who aren't when you are dicussing transgender people makes sense. Even if you think religion is bunk, atheist is still a useful word.

@FlirtsWithRhinos do the voices of gender critical people matter? They've pretty much captured the MSM and they are platformed everywhere, even if it's a full-page article in the Times telling everyone they've been cancelled. The GC movement literally exists to restrict transgender people and you are doing a pretty good job of it. You aren't advocating for male cleaners to be removed from toilets, or male staff from prisons, even though your ostensible reason for fearing transgender women is "because they are men". The GC movement has been very succesful in undermining transgender rights - I'm pretty sure that the GRA would have been modified by May without that, Even the LibDems have restricted their definition of transphobia.

@AlisonDonut single-sex spaces which meet the EA2010 criteria easily are support groups for pregnant people and ailments which only affect people with female reproductive systems. Perhaps instead of attacking existing rape crisis centres, well funded GC people could set up support groups for cis women with this exception. The important thing is that the EA2010 doesn't oblige anyone to do this - it merely permits it.

Yes, "cis" can only be a trans ideology thing.

Normal women don't go around being "cis" at anyone. We're just normal females with female bodies and female reproductive systems. Women and girls.

No need for the fucking "cis". We've got "women" "girls" and "female" already taken. Unhappy men need to sort out their own words.

Funny, how the word "ciswoman" might be the most common case of misgendering in the world. There are many women (adult human females), much more than transpeople. And many of them (us) just don't feel internal sense of gender identity as described by gender ideology, which means that we literally don't follow the ciswoman definition.

So, what now? It is surely highly insensitive to assume someone has a gender identity if they don't have one.
(I'd know what, to keep "woman" for ahf no matter the identification and transwoman for those who are exactly that, but ..)