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Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chamber) Thread 4

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nauticant · 07/11/2022 12:40

UPDATE: a transcript of the proceedings has been published and can be found here: lgballiance.org.uk/tribunal-transcript/

The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony was heard from 12 to 15 September, and then, following a break, closing submissions are taking place on 7 and 8 November.

[This paragraph is probaby now redundant] To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

There is also live tweeting from www.twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

(Also the witnesses, PR: Paul Roberts, JN: John Nicolson. BB: Belinda Bell, BJ: Beverley Jackson, KH: Kate Harris, and EG: Eileen Gallagher.)

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632780-mermaids-vs-lgb-alliance-and-charity-commissioner-first-tier-tribunal-general-regulatory-chameber-thread-2
Thread 3: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4633653-mermaids-vs-lgb-alliance-and-charity-commissioner-first-tier-tribunal-general-regulatory-chamber-thread-3?page=31&reply=121335177
Thread 4: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (13 September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (13-14 September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (14-15 September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (15 September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/John-Nicolson-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Dr Belinda Bell: www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Belinda-Bell-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Beverley Jackson: www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Bev-Jackson-Witness-Statement-Exhibits-1.pdf
Kate Harris: www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Kate-Harris-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Eileen Gallagher (two statements): www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Eileen-Gallagher-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Eileen-Gallagher-Second-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf

Submissions:

www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

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Chrysanthemum5 · 07/11/2022 12:51

BellaAmorosa · 07/11/2022 12:49

MG is demonstrating why everyone needs to sign the Sex Matters petition to clarify that sex in the Equality Act refers to biological sex.

Very true

Chrysanthemum5 · 07/11/2022 12:50

Mermaids label anyone who agrees with their views transphobic and says if you think lesbians are same sex attracted that is unacceptable - I don't know why he's opening up this line by focusing on the idea that LGBA think gender identity is homophobic as it denies same sex attraction

FriendofJoanne · 07/11/2022 12:50

I say it's not bloody neutral to say that humans can change sex and that teaching this to children is not neutral

Signalbox · 07/11/2022 12:50

.

BellaAmorosa · 07/11/2022 12:49

MG is demonstrating why everyone needs to sign the Sex Matters petition to clarify that sex in the Equality Act refers to biological sex.

FriendofJoanne · 07/11/2022 12:49

This gives me the rage! FFS saying that it is not a fact to say boys can't be girls and girls can't be boys. Show us the evidence then coz I've not seen any evidence so far that humans can change sex.

TheClogLady · 07/11/2022 12:47

That Nauticant

Here’s the bit of the equality act that says ‘woman means a female of any age’

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/212

Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chamber) Thread 4
lifeturnsonadime · 07/11/2022 12:47

Thanks Nauticant.

On the Equality Act point, surely it is SW who first changed the meanings. Gender Reassignment was fairly clear until it was widened to include preferred pronoun people.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 07/11/2022 12:46

'hostile documentation' no less! For shame!

Chrysanthemum5 · 07/11/2022 12:46

I don't know how AR isn't just shouting by now

chilling19 · 07/11/2022 12:45

Unpleasant? Is this a legal argument? FFS

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 07/11/2022 12:45

Thanks for the new thread 🙏

LipbalmOrKnickers · 07/11/2022 12:42

Thanks nauticant. I have now entered the shouting portion of the afternoon.

Chrysanthemum5 · 07/11/2022 12:41

Thanks @nauticant

FlibbertyGiblets · 07/11/2022 12:41

Thank you, nauticant.