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Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chamber) Thread 4

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nauticant · 07/11/2022 12:40

UPDATE: a transcript of the proceedings has been published and can be found here: lgballiance.org.uk/tribunal-transcript/

The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony was heard from 12 to 15 September, and then, following a break, closing submissions are taking place on 7 and 8 November.

[This paragraph is probaby now redundant] To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

There is also live tweeting from www.twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

(Also the witnesses, PR: Paul Roberts, JN: John Nicolson. BB: Belinda Bell, BJ: Beverley Jackson, KH: Kate Harris, and EG: Eileen Gallagher.)

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632780-mermaids-vs-lgb-alliance-and-charity-commissioner-first-tier-tribunal-general-regulatory-chameber-thread-2
Thread 3: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4633653-mermaids-vs-lgb-alliance-and-charity-commissioner-first-tier-tribunal-general-regulatory-chamber-thread-3?page=31&reply=121335177
Thread 4: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (13 September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (13-14 September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (14-15 September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (15 September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/John-Nicolson-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Dr Belinda Bell: www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Belinda-Bell-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Beverley Jackson: www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Bev-Jackson-Witness-Statement-Exhibits-1.pdf
Kate Harris: www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Kate-Harris-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Eileen Gallagher (two statements): www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Eileen-Gallagher-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Eileen-Gallagher-Second-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf

Submissions:

www.lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

(Header format follows the gold standard established by @ickky)

post updated by MNHQ at OP's request in order to include the most up to date information.

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IcakethereforeIam · 29/03/2023 17:50

Oh, I got all excited and anxious.

It has been ages.

Princessglittery · 29/03/2023 17:46

It’s been a while is there any update on when we might hear the outcome of this case? Might they be waiting for the outcome of the Charity Commission investigation?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 27/01/2023 15:06

I'm sure MAC have supported Mermaids before, I know I had added them to my shitlist a while ago. Spectacular own-goal.

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nauticant · 25/01/2023 13:35

I'll see about doing that @dunBle if I don't forget.

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nilsmousehammer · 25/01/2023 12:35

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 02/12/2022 17:50

www.csrwire.com/press_releases/761411-celebration-trans-awareness-week-mac-cosmetics-launch-inclusive-makeup-edit

That was near the top of the Twitter search! Dated yesterday. Someone in MAC should be getting sacked for that one.

...k, and we're done with Mac....

I will not be handing money to anyone that is going to use it to fund safeguarding disasters for children.

dunBle · 25/01/2023 12:33

LGB Alliance have published the transcript of the hearing here:
https://lgballiance.org.uk/tribunal-transcript/
It's being discussed in it's own thread, but I thought it'd be useful to have a link to it on this one. @nauticant is it worth asking to get the first post amended to add the link to it, or only adding it if we end up spilling over into Thread 5 once the verdict comes out?

Signalbox · 02/12/2022 18:35

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 02/12/2022 17:50

www.csrwire.com/press_releases/761411-celebration-trans-awareness-week-mac-cosmetics-launch-inclusive-makeup-edit

That was near the top of the Twitter search! Dated yesterday. Someone in MAC should be getting sacked for that one.

Bloody hell, no wonder they are able to keep limping on if they continue to get donations like that!

TheBiologyStupid · 02/12/2022 18:08

Bad timing or what?!

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 02/12/2022 17:50

www.csrwire.com/press_releases/761411-celebration-trans-awareness-week-mac-cosmetics-launch-inclusive-makeup-edit

That was near the top of the Twitter search! Dated yesterday. Someone in MAC should be getting sacked for that one.

TheBiologyStupid · 02/12/2022 15:11

D'oh! "hard to imagine that it ISN'T strongly related", of course.

TheBiologyStupid · 02/12/2022 15:09

Zeugma · 02/12/2022 14:25

I know this is very much a minor detail given the much bigger and welcome news announced this morning but just to say to @FannyCann - that Christ Church story has been updated in PE for at least a couple of years, I’d say. It is absolutely staggering. Every update brings an even more jaw-dropping development re the actions of the College.

Yes, the Eye has been doing a great job of covering the Martyn Percy /Christ Church story. As well as £7.8m in legal costs and settlements the college lost £8m in donations and bequests; while it is impossible to prove the link it is hard to imagine that it is strongly related to the college's shenanigans.

TheBiologyStupid · 02/12/2022 15:03

Needmoresleep · 02/12/2022 13:48

So that is why Susie went.

Yup! The statutory inquiry was launched on Monday 28 November: www.gov.uk/government/news/regulator-announces-statutory-inquiry-into-mermaids

Needmoresleep · 02/12/2022 14:56

I assume we will also see more of this type of argument

”Mermaids sues for you guys granting hate group charity status, you open investigation into mermaids

Bit fucking transparent”

I hope the eventual report has a general relevance for other LGBT charities (looking at you Stonewall) that have rushed into schools and other activities involving children and young people. Safeguarding MUST be taken seriously. Child protection is paramount.

BewaretheIckabog · 02/12/2022 14:46

Better late than never.

BloodyHellKen · 02/12/2022 14:30

Also special mention for the Telegraph which I am not a reader of but I love the way they are using a big, smug photo of Susie Green to illustrated the story that will remind everyone that even though she left was removed last week all the terrible things Mermaids did and encouraged was very much on her watch:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/02/mermaids-transgender-charity-formal-investigation/

picklemewalnuts · 02/12/2022 14:25

Special mention for "ding-dong, sterilising kids is wrong!"

Zeugma · 02/12/2022 14:25

I know this is very much a minor detail given the much bigger and welcome news announced this morning but just to say to @FannyCann - that Christ Church story has been updated in PE for at least a couple of years, I’d say. It is absolutely staggering. Every update brings an even more jaw-dropping development re the actions of the College.

BloodyHellKen · 02/12/2022 14:21

I really hope that this gets the mainstream news coverage it deserves - I'm looking at you BBC!!

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nauticant · 02/12/2022 14:16

Twitter is exuberant because the trans activists seem to be completely at a loss for words. (For the moment at least.) It's a good read:

twitter.com/search?q=mermaids%20charity&src=typed_query&f=live

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Princessglittery · 02/12/2022 14:02

This is positive and Mermaids bought it on themselves. Stonewall must be so glad they stepped back at an early stage from the legal action.

I just hope by resigning SG doesn’t avoid being investigated and so is not mentioned/held to account in any report.

Twitter must be going into meltdown.

Feministwoman · 02/12/2022 13:54

I meant good newS, obviously!
Oh for an edit button 🙄

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 02/12/2022 13:53

Needmoresleep · 02/12/2022 13:48

So that is why Susie went.

Now we know (to quote Mitchell and Webb)

interesting

Helleofabore · 02/12/2022 13:52

Yes!!!’

Needmoresleep · 02/12/2022 13:48

So that is why Susie went.

Boiledbeetle · 02/12/2022 13:40

Feministwoman · 02/12/2022 13:31

Good new! Charity Commission launch statutory inquiry!

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7366dbdc-723e-11ed-8a5b-f385de7508fe?shareToken=017ef927cb635d313b87cd284535f1f7

Thank fuck for that! Thanks for the share