The police

I have answered this. All crimes that are reported are graded as to threat, harm & risk and prioritised accordingly. So a murder will always out trump a report of common assault for example.

So why do you keep using calls about domestic violence as a direct comparator to calls about mean words?

at what point do we start to ignore a persistent caller. You can join all the dots up you want , but at what point do we ignore them from the outset? 2 calls, 3 calls, 4 calls?

Christ alive, it really is like pulling teeth. The point is not just the number of calls, it's the number of calls about mean words incidents which end up going nowhere.

It is the standard. In my last report (when the stalker sent someone to photograph me getting arrested and then posted it on her instagram) I said "I'm close to giving up". This resulted in a "welfare check" to my workplace at 0130 (because I wasn't at my home address, the force I'm reporting to had to call a different force). Yes. For my welfare. At 0130. A week after I made the report. Fortunately, work had no idea whether I was there or not (I was actually at a conference hundreds of miles away).

Absolute fucking clowns. No comment on the photographer, the photograph, or my complaint of course.

Felix is quite scary really. Such an inability to understand relatively simple scenarios, or to even understand why what they are saying is an issue.

I really really hope they are just a wannabe cop and not a real one. Because if this is the standard of policing in the UK, I'd be very worried.

I don't get how 47 complaints about "hurty feels" isn't IN ITSELF the fucking evidence they need. But what do i know?

I love how Felix keeps coming back to explain to us like we're two year olds.

Apparently you can be taken to court, without being interviewed voluntarily or otherwise, on the basis of the evidence the police have from the complainant. A crime can be referred to the CPS without an arrest being made because "prompt investigation", which would provide the necessity to arrest is a difficult threshold to meet.

I'm happy to give Felix yet another opportunity to defend a broken system which is weaponised to harass women.

All I hear is "but we can't possibly say no to men, what happens if the women DID post a meme?"

all i hear is "blah blah blah we don't care until they kill you and then, soz, we can't do anything"

Brefugee
You need evidence if you are going to prosecute someone for wasting police time.
If the evidence isn't there, it isn't there. We can't just invent evidence. We need to have a specific reason/evidence for saying that this report is malicious. So what is that reason? - bare in mind we can't just assume its false because previous reports have not resulted in a prosecution, or use his past criminal history to assume that this one is false. We also don't know what the specific allegation that has been raised here.

Bearyhumcrack
Felix, you are so patronising I can hardly articulate it. I seriously hope you aren't in my local force.
So you're local force is not investigating the harassment allegation that you are suffering.
I am saying that I would - i would also be able to locate your phone in seconds.

I have also said:

Police should be better vetted and continued to be vetted through their service. Anyone having committed an offence should be binned. Intelligence should be used in this vetting process, so any cop on a social media platform can be monitored and sacked if they are posting things that are misogynistic, racist etc etc

We should not have rainbow cars, rainbow lanyards, poppies, pin badges, Ukraine badges, charity ribbons, charity badges etc etc

But you seem to disagree with my stance

If you prefer the way you're local force does things as opposed to way I/we do things, then don't complain about your local force and let things run as they are - its up to you.

FOJN
Not quite

They can be invited for a vol interview if there is no necessity to arrest, regardless of the amount of evidence available or the severity of the offence - you need a necessity. And its not a case of needing 'evidence for the defence'. You need to give the other party an opportunity to give their account. Once this account has been made, it will need to be investigated before the next gate. The case might be NFA'd at that point, but it may merit being passed to CPS for a charging decision.

Even if they are arrested, then the chances are they are going to be released after interview for the case to be processed in any case.

If they give an account in interview which exonerates them, the case could be NFA'd there and then without it needing to go to court.

If they refuse to give an account in a vol interview or refuse to remain - its similar to a 'no reply' interview - If you want to arrest after they have failed to attend, then you still need a necessity to do so. But they key word here is 'voluntary' - they have been given an opportunity to be interviewed, but refused.

If no defence is raised, the case has one word against nothing. We have a reporting persons statement & witness testimony with nothing to oppose it. So the chances are it will be processed to court for a trial. How else are the court going to make a judgement?

At court, if they then raise a defence - it will be argued that the caution has been given to them ".... it will harm you're defence if do not mention when questioned something which you later reply on in court..." This will obviously become relevant and may go 'badly' for them.

If you think this process is bull - then please ensure you speak with a solicitor if you find yourself in this situation.

You need evidence if you are going to prosecute someone for wasting police time.

Perhaps you could invite Bearyhumcrack's stalker in for a voluntary interview to give her side of the story. Beary has made a complaint and now you need evidence for the defence, right? If she refuses to attend and you don't think prompt investigation of the allegation is warranted therefore leaving you without necessity to arrest you can just summons her to court where her refusal to offer a defence in an interview room will end very badly for her.

I think I've got that right from all the absolute bull you've posted.

*pursue

You need evidence if you are going to prosecute someone for wasting police time.

That's your bloody job. Or do we have to cut it up for you into bitesized chunks and do all the investigating ourselves?

OK - don't peruse it then. Its up to you. Just accept things as they are.

Oh gosh. Silly me. Never thought of that. @AlisonDonut aren't we glad @Felix125 was here to magic my problems away.

Felix, you are so patronising I can hardly articulate it. I seriously hope you aren't in my local force.

going to do the honourable thing now and ignore you until you go away.

IcakethereforeIam
Not a problem - but others may read.

So they are taking it as a formal complaint - that means an investigation will start leading to CPS and a prosecution etc etc. Formal is the key word here.

CCTV will last for 30 days and will be collected by the OIC

Medical reports have to be requested and provided by the consultant/doctor - that's not a police thing to produce, but the hospital - its classed as a medical record

the victim has been to the hospital and is back at home - so this will not be classed as an ongoing emergency and there are no immediate threat, harm or risk issues currently to the victim. So this is a job which will drop onto the event queue. Traiged and disptched.

Has the OIC made contact - are they days off?

if the call was made whilst the incident was ongoing - it would be classed as an emergency. But as the victim is now back at home with no immediate threat, it will drop down the queue to be replaced by other ongoing emergencies, suicidal missing people, safeguarding issues etc etc - this is where you lose your resources.

Just seen this tweet thread on Fair Cop

twitter.com/Tantrumfly/status/1597894577197023234?s=20&t=XDFF6_fW-DMWNKhhRhl6bw

But it was just the old-fashioned 'cunty' type of lesbian. I hope she didn't use any hurty words while being assaulted or the Police'll be back.

Why do cases against women take ages but blokes who assault women get their slap on the wrist in nanoseconds?

Not asking you Felix, I do appreciate your engagement but I seem to have a psychological block and cannot read your posts. Sorry.

AlisonDonut
OK - don't complain then and just accept things as they are

Simples, just complain. That will just sort it all out.

Brefugee
So what was the triage process that was considered in the KJK case? Since you are an expert in it, you must know to form your opinion.

FFS. Are you for real? I DON'T WANT YOU TO IGNORE THE PERSISTENT AND SERIAL CALLER I WANT YOU TO TAKE ACTION TO STOP THEM. JFC it isn't rocket science.

FFS back at you - You need evidence if you are going to prosecute someone for wasting police time. What is the evidence here other than just assuming that this must be a false call as his other calls did not end in a prosecution? Bare in mind you don't know what he is reporting against KJK & you can not comment if KJK was under constant observations by police 100% of the time at the event .

The woman who was stalked - what was she fined for, what are the specifics of each report she made to the police?

Was she being classed as a serial complainer?

If so - can you see my argument for not ignoring what she is reporting each time?

SnapeAlways
So a judge has told a reporting person not to look at things in a public forum if he finds them harassing. - So its the reporting person's fault. Is this victim blaming - and this was from a judge?

Great - I will campaign for rainbow cars and rainbow lanyards. If you find them offensive - just don't look

The twitter post that stated 'No TERFS on our turf" - if it offends you - just don't look at it. After all a judge has said.

So what was the actual 'Nazi themed' post then. And can you not see that a Nazi themed post my be grossly offensive to some people?

What was the link to your address - did they have the IP address of where it was sent or reported from? Do they have the netwrok cell site data? Devices can be tracked by their GPS signature - everything you send from a phone, I pad etc has a GPS signature.

If they have this, then as part of the evidence they will need to locate the device it was sent from. we can only seize things under PACE and if the person is arrested - this maybe the reason for the arrest necessity.

Did you have a solicitor - are they making representations on your behalf
Have you complained to IPCC about how the case was dealt with by the OIC and what was their conclusion?

Bearyhumcrack
So what is in this woman's statement then that can be negated at source?

If you have reported her and been told nothing can be done - then this is wrong advice. It can't be dealt with by the same OIC, but a new investigation can be started. Go back and make representations that you want it investigating as a new enquiry.

The phone should be easy to locate as its in the property office - if they can't track it down, complain as it should be easy to find.

Every time you get arrested won't delay the case. What ever the primary case was still runs. If its S2 harassment its time-barred in any case - so further arrests on reported incidents won't delay it.

Were you bailed or RUI'd?

Did you have a solicitor and what are they doing to chase things up for you??

blimey, @Bearyhumcrack , that sounds appalling. Kafkaesque doesn't even begin to cover it.

*empathise. Gah.

Of course I've fucking reported her. She's reporting me phoning her up daily and threatening her. Following her into a restaurant, breaking into her house with a knife.

Your English is characteristically poor but I will persevere. Something like harassment with fear of violence. I've been arrested twice.

Don't forget I don't even have her phone number.

The evidence offered so far is a screenshot of my instagram account profile. From which she is blocked. And of course her statement.

I have reported her and am repeatedly told, nothing can be done until the investigation against me is completed.

What really helps is another patronising PC with poor English, taking 3 months to track my phone down after it was seized and then a further month to extract it. He clearly cares deeply about me doesn't he.

The best bit is she knows that every time she gets me arrested, it delays the investigation so she can keep doing this until one of us dies of old age.

You are embarrassing yourself here Felix. Stop doubling down and actually listen. Or just do one because we are bored of your incessant inability to emplathise.

Real time demonstration of why the police consistently get it wrong ✅

And i have asked before, but you have failed to answer - at what point do we start to ignore a persistent caller.

FFS. Are you for real? I DON'T WANT YOU TO IGNORE THE PERSISTENT AND SERIAL CALLER I WANT YOU TO TAKE ACTION TO STOP THEM. JFC it isn't rocket science.

So again, if its just 'hurty words' that's being reported here then it would be triaged out through the various process I have mentioned.

well there are people here saying other. And again: it is the serial complaining that is the issue that you are completely ignoring.

How come a woman who was being stalked was fined prior her murder but a man who is a serial reporter of memes and women on the internet given free reign? do you even understand the issue?

Bearyhumcrack
Have you reported her then?
What is she actually reporting against you?
What evidence has she presented to police to cover her claim?
What was her actual report given to the call taker or the OIC
have you been interviewed/ arrested etc - is so what was the offence claimed?
What was the evidence offered?
If she is stalking you, then report her for the same offence?
have you reported it and what was said by the police?

Brefugee
So again, if its just 'hurty words' that's being reported here then it would be triaged out through the various process I have mentioned.

But we don't know what is being reported here do we?

Unless you do know - as you seem to have made your conclusion that the reporting person should be told to 'do one' in this case. So what was the specifics of the allegation here then? And what investigation occurred in this case that you are against?

And i have asked before, but you have failed to answer - at what point do we start to ignore a persistent caller. You can join all the dots up you want , but at what point do we ignore them from the outset? 2 calls, 3 calls, 4 calls? Do we do this to all regular callers? cry wolf etc etc

Police gather evidence - that's part of what the OIC does. So if you can say what CCTV is and where it is, the OIC will view it/gather it. Any witnesses? Any phone records? What the other person's side of the story is? Its all part of the investigation.

Which will be done as & when as it will not be a priority job

In this case the meme was swastika wasn't it?

No it wasn’t, though it was Nazi themed. And it was posted on a message board that a high court judge has told the complainant not to look at, if he feels it is harassing him.

Not a scrap of evidence it was me. So the police traumatised my kids by arresting me in front of them to see if they could find any.

They said a voluntary interview wasn’t possible in case I destroyed evidence and threatened DH with criminal charges if they went into the parish office at a later and discovered any IT equipment had been moved or tampered with.

How they would be able to tell if devices had been moved is beyond me.

They asked my DD if Mummy ever used the iPad she was holding and then took it off her, when she replied yes. (I only use it to oversee restrictions).

They also eyed up her Switch and asked her if I used that as well.

Over memes on the internet. And people wonder why the police are so widely despised.

When you’ve got a local church community of law-abiding citizens thinking that the police have totally lost their minds and cannot be trusted or relied upon to do their jobs, then you’ve got a problem.