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BlackForestCake · 04/11/2022 18:23

I was just thinking that the GC analysis is the only one that can explain the behaviour of police forces up and down the country.

The liberal position is “It’s awful that the police are institutionally racist and misogynist, but it’s great that they stand up for LGBTQ+ people!”

No. The promotion of trans ideology is part of the misogyny.

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AlisonDonut · 13/11/2022 12:29

Felix125 · 13/11/2022 11:28

Define the word 'done' then.

Job written off at source without deployment
Job attended and further enquirers
Job attended and safeguarding taking ages to sort out
Job attended and no realistic lines to progress
Job attended and suspect charge & remanded

Whatever the definition, DOING anything about a woman [like arresting her and taking away her and her family's IT] who didn't post memes on an internet site would be, by your very own definition, only happen once all the other things that need DOING like safeguarding, burglaries and domestic violence were DONE.

So as these things were DONE, ie women arrested, then we can only assume by your defintion, that everything else had been DONE and nothing more important needed DOING.

DO you still not understand?

Onnabugeisha · 13/11/2022 12:23

@Waitwhat23
Yes, that was what was running through my mind. It just seemed so bizarre. But then I googled the list of women and followed the links and was shocked. How long has this been going on? Is it related to how the police went mad with covid rules- I read about a disabled woman being arrested for resting on a park bench for “too long” and they declared it was breaking lockdown rules. From what I understand the covid police powers were never rolled back. Is this them finding new excuses to abuse women?

Waitwhat23 · 13/11/2022 11:46

Onnabugeisha · 13/11/2022 09:02

Hi,
I wasn’t aware, as I have already said. Thank you to those who took the time to list the names of women abused by the police and put under false arrest.

It's one of those things where you start off thinking 'that's utterly ridiculous, it can't possibly be true' and then you find out more and you think 'holy shit, It's definitely happening' and then you realise that the effect of institutional capture (Police, Government, Universities etc) is silencing women. Political lobby groups have been deliberately misinforming organisations of the law 'as they wish it to be, not as it is'. The judiciary are receiving training and advice from such groups which they won't disclose. Schools are refusing to inform parents as to what is in lesson plans so that they can make an informed decision whether or not to withdraw their children from the lessons.

It sounds utterly bizarre. But it's happening.

Felix125 · 13/11/2022 11:36

ArabellaScott
Hate speach & harassment
We've done all this in the previous thread on the police being too woke - there is no such offence as 'stickers' but there is harassment & mal comms etc. What is harassment for one may not be for another etc How the initial call may not be how the actual crime plays out but the initial call my lead onto further enquiries being required etc etc

it went on for about 30 pages if you want to re-read

Charley50
Sorry, not going disclose which force i work for after previous problems that caused me & my family with death threats etc etc.

Felix125 · 13/11/2022 11:28

AlisonDonut · 12/11/2022 17:13

Jesus fucking H Christ.

And we wonder why the police never do anything, they are all there pontificating over the word 'done'.

Define the word 'done' then.

Job written off at source without deployment
Job attended and further enquirers
Job attended and safeguarding taking ages to sort out
Job attended and no realistic lines to progress
Job attended and suspect charge & remanded

Onnabugeisha · 13/11/2022 09:02

AlisonDonut · 13/11/2022 08:53

Hi.

Yes, they are as I have already said.

They have even arrested a woman, for something she didn't post, which hasn't been deemed offensive and they still have not returned all the IT equipment that they siezed from the whole of her family, which even if she did post it, isn't even a crime, or a non-crime incident.

Hi,
I wasn’t aware, as I have already said. Thank you to those who took the time to list the names of women abused by the police and put under false arrest.

AlisonDonut · 13/11/2022 08:53

Onnabugeisha · 12/11/2022 22:48

The police don’t define what is an arrest-able offence. It’s in the laws Parliament passes. And the police aren’t going around arresting women for being “rude on Twitter.” They can only arrest you if they’re charging you with a crime.

Hi.

Yes, they are as I have already said.

They have even arrested a woman, for something she didn't post, which hasn't been deemed offensive and they still have not returned all the IT equipment that they siezed from the whole of her family, which even if she did post it, isn't even a crime, or a non-crime incident.

Waitwhat23 · 13/11/2022 08:16

The National also did an investigation last year on the Welsh Polices Forces as a whole -

www.thenational.wales/news/19651933.wales-police-misconduct-scale-revealed/

DworkinWasRight · 13/11/2022 07:58

Waitwhat23 · 12/11/2022 23:22

Off the top of my head, at least 3 out that list -

www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/20069683.gwent-police-drop-jennifer-swayne-newport-stickers-case/

news.stv.tv/scotland/crown-office-drops-hate-crime-charge-against-feminist-marion-millar

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/mum-arrested-front-five-kids-7667500

Strangely enough, the cases tend to be dropped. And the Police flat out lied about Jennifer putting blades behind posters. Absolutely no evidence of that all all. They haven't retracted that though.

And I can't remember the exact details but I think Sarah Phillimore had a crime recorded against her name, without her knowledge? Something like that.

The police force that harassed Jen Swayne is the same police force exposed for misogynistic and racist behaviour in today’s Sunday Times article.

ResisterRex · 13/11/2022 06:57

The Sunday Times comment on the iPhone story:

Rotten culture in the police is a nationwide problem

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/98049650-61f4-11ed-8611-a128c33d7159?shareToken=038c762870a744a8491d7facf02b02fd

How dead police officer’s family found harassment and racism rife at force

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7c4cfed6-62a1-11ed-bd54-70403457622f?shareToken=a4b58c9790bc89caf6edcad32431c301

Waitwhat23 · 13/11/2022 00:15

And despite women being arrested and harassed for 'hate speech', threats of violence made against women are just ignored -

The political party in power in my country currently -
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-equalities-officer-threatened-beat-28189613

Does anyone know if the Brunel student who made gun threats against women faced any charges in the end?

twitter.com/Bruneluni/status/1400443763227435010?s=20&t=ni162KjVKJbae2xqewtxuw

Academic paper revelling in making violent threats against women - thecritic.co.uk/watch-me-take-a-knife-to-your-throat/

And of course - www.terfisaslur.com

I wonder if any of the countless death and rape threats were investigated by the Police. I'm guessing 0.

Johnnysgirl · 12/11/2022 23:53

We used to have Dementia Friends stickers on the cars to support that initiative, but those have now been removed
Why? They seem fairly innocuous, nothing remotely comparable to the rainbow shite?

Waitwhat23 · 12/11/2022 23:42

Sarah Phillimore -
thecritic.co.uk/post-hate-policing/

Harry Miller -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-59727118.amp

Waitwhat23 · 12/11/2022 23:32

Another woman was repeatedly harassed by a PCSO because of a sticker on her front door. There's voice recordings of the aggressive and intimidating manner of the PCSO on Twitter.

Onnabugeisha · 12/11/2022 23:31

You’re right that is disturbing.

Onnabugeisha · 12/11/2022 23:23

I had no idea this was happening. Googling now.

Waitwhat23 · 12/11/2022 23:22

Onnabugeisha · 12/11/2022 23:15

How many of these were arrested?

Off the top of my head, at least 3 out that list -

www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/20069683.gwent-police-drop-jennifer-swayne-newport-stickers-case/

news.stv.tv/scotland/crown-office-drops-hate-crime-charge-against-feminist-marion-millar

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/mum-arrested-front-five-kids-7667500

Strangely enough, the cases tend to be dropped. And the Police flat out lied about Jennifer putting blades behind posters. Absolutely no evidence of that all all. They haven't retracted that though.

And I can't remember the exact details but I think Sarah Phillimore had a crime recorded against her name, without her knowledge? Something like that.

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2022 23:19

All but Kellie Jay Keen (interviewed by police) and Sarah Phillimore (NCHI), I believe. Those are off the top of my head, there are others.

Onnabugeisha · 12/11/2022 23:15

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2022 23:14

Marion Millar
Kellie Jay Keen
Kate Scottow
Caroline Farrow
Jennifer Swayne
Sarah Phillimore

And others.

The police are complicit in oppressing women, often using the nonsense 'non-crime' hate incident process.

How many of these were arrested?

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2022 23:14

Marion Millar
Kellie Jay Keen
Kate Scottow
Caroline Farrow
Jennifer Swayne
Sarah Phillimore

And others.

The police are complicit in oppressing women, often using the nonsense 'non-crime' hate incident process.

Onnabugeisha · 12/11/2022 22:48

The police don’t define what is an arrest-able offence. It’s in the laws Parliament passes. And the police aren’t going around arresting women for being “rude on Twitter.” They can only arrest you if they’re charging you with a crime.

JeanRondeausMadHair · 12/11/2022 22:37

Onnabugeisha · 12/11/2022 18:22

Felix I'm sorry but if women are getting house calls, arrests and charges for being 'rude on Twitter' then something is going awry.

Thats only happening if these women are engaging in hate speech. What is awry is people thinking hate speech is just “being rude” or “unpleasant”.

Yes, you just redefine anyone disagreeing with you as 'hate speech', and then do what ever you like: manipulate statistics, harass people (mostly women[ for stating fundamental facts, that kind of thing.

Charley50 · 12/11/2022 19:48

Yes Felix, what is 'hate speech'?

Charley50 · 12/11/2022 19:47

ResisterRex · 12/11/2022 19:01

This article is a hard read, and outlines why many women feel they cannot trust the police:

How dead police officer’s family found harassment and racism rife at force

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7c4cfed6-62a1-11ed-bd54-70403457622f?shareToken=a4b58c9790bc89caf6edcad32431c301

Oh gos that article. Shocking, not surprising. Police culture is rotten from the top, and attracts too many of the wrong type of people.

I feel that only people who DO NOT want to be in the police, should be recruited into forces right now.

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2022 19:42

Onnabugeisha · 12/11/2022 18:22

Felix I'm sorry but if women are getting house calls, arrests and charges for being 'rude on Twitter' then something is going awry.

Thats only happening if these women are engaging in hate speech. What is awry is people thinking hate speech is just “being rude” or “unpleasant”.

What is 'hate speech'?

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