The police

My force isn't wearing rainbow lanyards or anything stuck on the cars .

I've been posting on the fwr board a bit lately .

Our force hasn't seemingly no bias . Thank fuck .

VestofAbsurdity
So whats your point here - he shouldn't have been hired for something he might do in the future?

Are you saying he is another example of why we shouldn't trust the police?

Imnobody4
He was arrested for malicious communications - there is no such offence of 're-tweeting a meme'

You have to establish what the original call to the police was by the reporting person - and what that reporting person was disclosing that required a police response.

Is this a job that fell onto the non-emergency event queue and was being dealt with 'as and when' - probably so, as the article doesn't state that police attended on an immediate response.

Is there a bigger back story to this which you are not aware of. Look at the man I arrested for wishing his ex-partner 'all the best' on social media. That was a job I had initially 'collected' off the event queue - was I wrong to arrest him as he declared on his social media account? After all, it was a non offensive comment he made.

Seems every time I read the news there's more.

'A police officer has been charged with attempted murder after a woman was found injured in a hotel.'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-63614796

@Felix125 so you agree there should be a full Public Enquiry into the Police to root out the rotten culture?

The incidents in my post were not referencing police officers with criminal convictions being hired or allowed to remain in the Police.

The 'ribbons' case is part of a much larger scenario where the Police (both in Scotland and NI) are seemly allowing themselves to be used as the personal enforcement arm by a deeply unpleasant individual who appears to have a particular fear of purple, green and violet ribbons and of women daring to state an opinion. The whole thing (and similar claims by the same person) are ludicrous and intended to harass women by forcing them to go through the process.

And the Police seem to be giving this quite a bit of time and effort. Quite astounding really. Given that confidence in the Police is at a particular low due to their institutionalised racism and misogyny, they might want to have go at fixing their public image.

Felix125
You say
'Cops are fully aware of this and will 'write off' jobs quickly which do not merit any further police involvement - its just not worth their time to spend on it. So if its a job that someone has tied a yellow ribbon to a tree or someone has said on YouTube that peadophiles are not very nice - it won't merit any action, unless there is something more to it. We are not going to give ourselves tons of extra work when we don't need to - and can't anyway.'

Are you aware of this case?
2 visits from police officers including reinforcements with police car. Arrests made leading to no further action for the heinous action of retweeting a meme.

www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/hampshire-police-and-crime-commissioner-donna-jones-condemns-forces-excessive-response-to-man-who-shared-a-social-media-post-showing-progress-pride-flag-rearranged-into-shape-of-a-swastika-3787497

As i said before - everything is graded on threat, harm & risk. So the 'thought' crimes on social media would slide down the event queue as not being as important to say an ongoing domestic violence, which i get sent to. Once I'm at this DV case, that's me written off for hours - or perhaps the entire shift. Pretty soon, the demand outstrips the resources. The 'thought' crime will be gotten too eventually - or may be passed to a crime car or similar who soaks up such crimes which have sat on the queue for weeks without having anyone free to deploy.

Cops are fully aware of this and will 'write off' jobs quickly which do not merit any further police involvement - its just not worth their time to spend on it. So if its a job that someone has tied a yellow ribbon to a tree or someone has said on YouTube that peadophiles are not very nice - it won't merit any action, unless there is something more to it. We are not going to give ourselves tons of extra work when we don't need to - and can't anyway.

We are trying to read the incidents, but we are only getting a small part of the actual incident itself.

If a ribbon was tied to a tree too close to someones house - and its almost gone to court - then what was the crime which CPS were considering? Presumably, this was the same crime which a person would have been arrested for - what was that crime, as it doesn't say in the texts?
There is no crime of 'tying a ribbon to a tree' but it may be part of a bigger picture.

Or do you assume that's not the case - and the police & CPS were actively perusing the ribbon occurrence only as a stand alone offence (which in law doesn't exist - but they thought we'll try anyway)?

For me - its a resource thing which is the main reason why police forces are struggling to get to jobs. Everything now has to be risk assessed & safe guarded. vulnerable people have to be watched whilst mental health teams can organise an assessment team, missing children from care homes are automatically classed as medium/high risk missing people if they don't come back to their care home by 9pm. And every night its the same 5-6 who go missing - and they of course learn where not to go to be caught by CCTV, police etc etc

This is where your police response resources are - not embroiled in ribbons being tied to a tree.

I said:
if you think that a woke type incident with no immediate threat, harm or risk, is more a priority than an ongoing violent domestic assault, then you are miles off.

AlisonDonut replied:
"...It's like talking to a toddler..." and "...woke stuff is indeed being put in front of important stuff, or you are wrong in that there is no other important stuff..."

So, if you can actual explain what they meant - I'm all ears

AlisonDonut
So, you honestly think that emergency jobs are just ignored and units sent to woke jobs on the queue instead in order to specifically target women?

What? That's not what she's said at all!

<pictures Alison screaming into a pillow somewhere>

Whilst you're still struggling with the word 'done'

AlisonDonut
So, you honestly think that emergency jobs are just ignored and units sent to woke jobs on the queue instead in order to specifically target women?

VestofAbsurdity
I agree - and have said so on here
Anyone corrupt should be gone
Anyone with offences to their name should not be considered - whether this is assaults to speeding offences

And to add to the horror show of Gwent Police we have this reported today:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11422497/Serving-officer-Lancashire-Police-charged-attempted-murder.html

There is something rotten in the Police and it stinks. The only way to clear it out and restore public faith and trust and ensure that the public still give consent to being policed is to have a full, unequivocal, transparent, no holds barred Public Enquiry.

Public faith and trust in the Police is tumbling - polls bear this out. Surely as a police officer @Felix125 you would want to stop this? And that means (1) accepting that it is happening (2) accepting the reasons why it is happening. Weasel words and statements like its not all Police Officers, it's not everywhere it's just a few bad apples just won't cut it any more.

This just isn't good enough:

At the time, Deputy Chief Constable Amanda Blakeman said: 'This outcome sends a clear message that these kinds of behaviours will not be tolerated within Gwent Police.

'The public expect high standards of integrity from us and where officers abuse their position of power they will be held to account
.
'Over the past three years we've reflected on behaviours and changed our culture.'

The culture should never have been allowed to get into that state in the first fucking place and it shouldn't need three fucking years to reflect on it.

Honestly.

It's like talking to a toddler.

AlisonDonut
if you think that a woke type incident with no immediate threat, harm or risk, is more a priority than an ongoing violent domestic assault, then you are miles off.

As you can see the police won't even admit it is happening.

I guess you are new to all this slight of hand that has been going on for the last 6 ish years.

First you'd have to define 'woman' and then 'investigation' and then 'disproportionate' as many think it is all justified [as your post just yesterday ago showed].

Has there been a study showing that women are more likely than men to be investigated by the police for SM/internet posts?

I see it’s happening to women, unjustly so, but I would love to see any statistical info showing that women are being disproportionately targeted?

Does ONS track police activity to this degree?

I think what @Felix125 is saying is that police work is like a priority list of multiple tasks that are all being pushed along. The priority stuff gets pushed as far as it can for that day first, then when nothing more can be done to progress them on that day, then they go to the lower priority stuff.

What Felix has been saying for weeks is 'it doesn't happen'. He is gaslighting you and anyone else that thinks the police are not targetting women who say things on the internet. Because they are.

Probably the fault of TV & films. In every murder mystery or crime show they always show a detective and partner doing nothing but that one case the whole way through until it is solved and the murderer/criminal safely awaiting trial.

So not surprised people would have impression that cases are worked one by one with a dedicated detective and partner. The reality is like with any other job, you probably have an overflowing inbox and are working what? Dozens? All at once? I don’t know your workload but simple maths of # reports to # police would indicate it’s not a 1:1 ratio of police:crime. And that’s before even deducting time spent just patrolling or doing crowd control or security.

Onnabugeisha
Precisely - once all the important stuff is progressed as far as it can, then the next important stuff can be considered.

I'm not sure why AlisonDonut can't grasp this?

I think what @Felix125 is saying is that police work is like a priority list of multiple tasks that are all being pushed along. The priority stuff gets pushed as far as it can for that day first, then when nothing more can be done to progress them on that day, then they go to the lower priority stuff.

Crimes generally aren’t things that can be solved by focussing on one crime to exclusion of all else. There’s only so much can be done in any one day. So while waiting for interviews to be done and transcribed, or lab results to come back, or a suspect to be found and arrested, the police will work on the next thing on the list in the meantime.

Then you have new cases starting each day. So it’s never a case of the most important things always being 100% done before you start on the lower priority stuff. Like a chef in a kitchen with 100 burners, there is always a pot simmering on each one and you bounce back and forth with the ones on the back burners not getting as much attention.

No you said woke stuff doesn't happen until all the important stuff is sorted.

Which if it IS happening [which it is because we see it happening], means that either you are wrong, and woke stuff is indeed being put in front of important stuff, or you are wrong in that there is no other important stuff.

I know they aren't hiring people with an ounce of reasoning capabilities but you are just embarassing yourself now.

It's a mix of institutional misogyny, being deliberately misadvised by lobby groups and the desire to rise in the ranks of the Stonewall Diversity Champion Top 100 - www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/08/exclusive-police-forces-threatened-legal-action-links-stonewall/

A lot of it links back to the Denton document -
www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

I don't know how much of it links to covid powers. It seems to be more linked with an institutional hatred of women to be honest.

@Felix125
That is true, there’s often a backstory.

AlisonDonut
Which is exactly as I described it then.....

So once everything is 'done' comms will start to go through the non-emergency job pending queue.

Whats your issue with this then?

Do we just ignore this queue

Onnabugeisha
I once arrested someone for wishing his ex-partner 'all the best' on social media. He later went on Facebook etc to complain "...I can't believe they have arrested me for simply wishing someone all the best..."

He failed to mention the years of stalking & harassment he had subjected his ex-partner to and that he had breached a restraining order by sending the message. And to me it was obvious he was doing it to tell his ex 'I'm still here - you haven't got rid of me' and he was doing it to drive her into the floor.

But on the face of it - it looks like I arrested him for sending someone a greeting.