Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Some light relief in sport

95 replies

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 31/10/2022 21:18

The Boston Marathon has added a new non-binary category for runners. Great, right?

Except this is the comment from one parent of a runner who identifies as non-binary.

Ok....this will likely start a bunch of hateful comments but here goes: As the parent of a non-binary runner, I applaud the effort for inclusion. However, perhaps a more level playing field, specifically in sports, would be non-binary AMAB and non-binary AFAB. Just my 2 cents.

So the parent realises that non-binary females are disadvantaged by being placed in the same category as non-binary males, and wants it separated by... sex.

Read more about it here

Some light relief in sport
OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
IcakethereforeIam · 07/11/2022 17:25

I wonder, if the non-binary times were plotted on a graph, what the graph would look like?

Treemouser · 07/11/2022 16:55

Looks like the third place non-binary, Elliott Paynter, is female. It's a pain having to look at the photos to find out the runners sex but if anybody else can be bothered that would be interesting.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 07/11/2022 15:21

Helleofabore · 06/11/2022 20:52

I believe this years marathon is offering prize money.

twitter.com/mara_yamauchi/status/1588882244709806080?s=46&t=FTI1Vwi6J8urjUm-fpYRrA

Tmrw’s NYC Marathon offers prize money for the first time in the non-binary category as follows (to be eligible for prize money, must run sub 3:10).

  1. $5,000
  2. $4,000
  3. $3,000
  4. $2,000
  5. $1,000

How convenient for Zachery. By 2021 standards they’d win. For a mediocre performance.

These were the top 5 times in the non-binary category for Chicago, if anyone is wondering.

  1. 02:47:12

  2. 02:58:50

  3. 03:21:32

  4. 03:22:02

  5. 03:31:43

OP posts:
Helleofabore · 07/11/2022 08:48

The other way to look at it is that the time to achieve is set so low it rewards people way down the field.

By rights, a woman could win that prize money if they declared themselves NB. Because the bar is set conveniently so that Zach could win it. Imagine, if they set it at 3.05 and Zach couldn’t get Zach’s time down!!!

But that the bar is set so low says what exactly?

Of course, if it was a competition between two people who were at the peak of their sex class category then yes, it would be always going to a male.

FemaleAndLearning · 06/11/2022 23:41

WomaninBoots · 06/11/2022 22:42

Sub-3.10. The non-binary prize is an extra blokes prize then...

For a man who came 696th or something (quoted up thread). So prize money to a mediocre male.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/11/2022 22:58

All non binaries are equal apparently.

But some are more equal than others.

LizzieSiddal · 06/11/2022 22:43

What an absolute shit show 😂

WomaninBoots · 06/11/2022 22:42

Sub-3.10. The non-binary prize is an extra blokes prize then...

TheBiologyStupid · 06/11/2022 22:36

One to file under "You couldn't make it up". 😂

LisaPandervump · 06/11/2022 22:35

This is hilarious 😆

Happylittlechicken · 06/11/2022 21:37

inigomontoyahwillcox · 06/11/2022 20:56

I wonder how long it will take the XX non-binaries to get pissed off that the XY non-binaries are winning everything.

But they can’t can they? I mean…. All non binaries are equal apparently. And no one can tell the difference between a male NB and a female NB. They are hoist by their own petard.

Chersfrozenface · 06/11/2022 21:32

inigomontoyahwillcox · 06/11/2022 20:56

I wonder how long it will take the XX non-binaries to get pissed off that the XY non-binaries are winning everything.

In a bit of a bind, aren't they?

Dare they object? Because that would be admitting that the sex binary does exist and "non binary" is a nonsense.

Thus invalidating their own declared identity.

I mean, what a dilemma.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 06/11/2022 20:56

I wonder how long it will take the XX non-binaries to get pissed off that the XY non-binaries are winning everything.

Helleofabore · 06/11/2022 20:52

I believe this years marathon is offering prize money.

twitter.com/mara_yamauchi/status/1588882244709806080?s=46&t=FTI1Vwi6J8urjUm-fpYRrA

Tmrw’s NYC Marathon offers prize money for the first time in the non-binary category as follows (to be eligible for prize money, must run sub 3:10).

  1. $5,000
  2. $4,000
  3. $3,000
  4. $2,000
  5. $1,000

How convenient for Zachery. By 2021 standards they’d win. For a mediocre performance.

ZeldaFighter · 03/11/2022 23:38

xalo · 03/11/2022 07:16

Another interesting article from that Outsports link proudly listing 17 trans women winners of national and international sporting competitions including a golfer who won €12,500 in a driving competition...

Yep, I saw that. 17 people who were men proudly beating women at sports. I've read up on some of these athletes - Kate Weatherly did not impress many of the women competitors in her sport and Natalie Ryan has been said to throw a disc golf in a way that no woman ever has.

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/11/2022 23:12

WomaninBoots · 03/11/2022 08:44

3.09 would not qualify him this person for Boston.... in the male category... (assuming he's this person is under 29).

Prize money seems a little 'participation award' in that case.

TerfranosaurusVagina · 03/11/2022 22:14

Delphinium20 · 03/11/2022 06:15

www.outsports.com/2021/11/17/22785781/nyc-marathon-2021-zackary-harris-non-binary

Never underestimate the self-confidence and self-congratulations of a mediocre male.

The constant They and Themming in that artical is so jarring. I keep wondering which group of people the writer is talking about and realise its just 1 mans group sized ego.
I can't believe people intentionally other themselves by referring to themselves as Themselves. (Phew!)

WomaninBoots · 03/11/2022 08:44

3.09 would not qualify him this person for Boston.... in the male category... (assuming he's this person is under 29).

xalo · 03/11/2022 07:16

Another interesting article from that Outsports link proudly listing 17 trans women winners of national and international sporting competitions including a golfer who won €12,500 in a driving competition...

Theeyeballsinthesky · 03/11/2022 06:55

i assume anything that does not Centre Zak’s super specialness to be apparent to all is deemed humiliating

Helleofabore · 03/11/2022 06:52

Still, Harris is lacking one piece of recognition the other winners received: prize money. They say they haven’t been contacted by marathon organizers about their first-place finish.

I hope this was tongue in cheek. Zachary ran 3.09 which is great and I admire anyone running a marathon.

But this was an hour behind the male winner (2.08) and the female winner came in at (2.22). That women’s race would have been awesome. The first three were rather close in times!

Helleofabore · 03/11/2022 06:36

Delphinium20 · 03/11/2022 06:15

www.outsports.com/2021/11/17/22785781/nyc-marathon-2021-zackary-harris-non-binary

Never underestimate the self-confidence and self-congratulations of a mediocre male.

Thanks for sharing this.

Most races only allow contestants to enter as “male” or “female,” forcing Harris and other non-binary and trans runners to suffer an unnecessary humiliation.

I thought we were reliably told that not one person was denying their sex. So why is it humiliating?

It is all a house of cards on a shifting sands foundation, isn’t it? There seems to never be consistency.

Helleofabore · 03/11/2022 06:27

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 01/11/2022 14:17

Also the issue that men competing in the standard category would object.

The person who won the non-binary category placed 696th overall. If they had been awarded prize money, how would that have gone down with the people who ran faster than them and placed 4th and below, but higher than 695th.

how would that have gone down with the people who ran faster than them and placed 4th and below, but higher than 695th.

Wouldn’t that just be put down as a ‘binary-normative’ issue for those not getting first placement in their categories to deal with.

I mean, imagine if the 1st place from this year came out as NB next year!!! [gasp!]. Or even the 4th place winner! Because then place winners would earn more, and those just missing out will be rewarded too.

I could see how this could catch on. Even just for prestige of winning two categories and getting publicity and sponsorship. It is brilliant.

I wonder if it will ever click in their minds what they have started.

Happylittlechicken · 03/11/2022 06:24

So he’s a gay man who got bullied for being gay? I’m confused. He’s a bit of a low effort NB though, he hasn’t even got the blue hair undercut.

Delphinium20 · 03/11/2022 06:15

www.outsports.com/2021/11/17/22785781/nyc-marathon-2021-zackary-harris-non-binary

Never underestimate the self-confidence and self-congratulations of a mediocre male.

Swipe left for the next trending thread