Starmer and his 99.9%

I did say that I don't think you should shut up! But I don't think laying all of this sorry mess at Kier Starmer's door is fair either. It's a massive problem across the whole of the centre left of politics.

I also think that the truth is that, for most voters of any stripe, the issue of gender ID will be a long long way down their list of priorities, especially in view of the incoming recession.

I am not saying whether that is right of wrong. But I think people will have what they consider to be more pressing issues to vote on.

All of this ^

And I was once an elected officer for Momentum in the NW 🙈

I recognise both your use names as having been on Mumsnet for a long time, on many threads on many boards. Is that right?

The arrogance of those currently running the left parties is a feature not a bug.

There's a huge amount of head patting superiority and a lot of belief in having minority special pets such as acting all passionate about the current causes of the hour, all the right noises made - ethnic women, working class, LGBT+, the homeless, yada yada, but if one of those special pets gets out of their box by trying to speak for themselves, or mentioning an opinion on themselves and their minority that goes off message, they get extremely pissed off extremely fast.

Special pets should be grateful and quiet and submissive, and they will get what they're given and like it.

Hence why Starmer is so very pissed off with MN. We're supposed to be naice and just ask about biscuits so he can talk about how wonderfully supportive he is of mothers of young children.

Has anybody on this thread said the Conservative Party is a friend to women?

Trust me, there is nothing I want more than for Keir Starmer to be a leader I can vote for. I dislike the current Tory administration intensely and under normal circumstances I'd be desperate for Labour to get in. But how can I vote for someone who lies so blatantly? Who has failed to stand up for an MP in his own party, Rosie Duffield, who has been relentlessly bullied by party members? Who is pretending that an obvious male, Eddie Izzard, is a woman?

Wow!

I 100% agree with your views as it happens. And I'm not saying we shouldn't be listened to and campaign for change. But I think publicly slating the LP over and over again on one issue is counter-productive and is handing the Tories a victory they most certainly do NOT deserve based on their record on women's rights and issues that are important to women. That does NOT mean I am telling you to shut up before you decide that! But I am very very bored of the "at least the Tories know what a woman is" line being trotted out as nauseum though!

I'm doing my campaigning within the LP which I have been a member of since the 1980s. Hope that clears up my credentials for you!

Yep.
Me too.

@BitOutOfPractice you may well be right, and all the more reason why the LP should be reading them and answering our very reasonable concerns

I am starting to think that these threads are being started by Tory HQ bots.

Because anyone who thinks the Conservative party is a friend of women is deluded.

And now link that kind of marketing/manipulative/I will decide reality and tell you plebs what to believe thinking, to the utter arrogance you saw him use in his conversation with Justine.

The whole ideology is based on the belief that emotion and feelings create reality, not facts.

And that you select your preferred reality, by choosing the facts you like and blanking out the ones you don't, and then doing a lot of high handed fast talking, con artistry and marketing (much the same thing) and scolding/punishing so that as many gullible twits as possible believe what you tell them is the truth, and the stubborn bastards who won't are hopefully too scared to contradict you.

That is what this utter muppet has bought into. 'Facts' aren't something he does. This is my first and main reason why any party led by those with such a belief, should never under any circumstances run anything more challenging than a cupcake stall at a village fete.

Really, once you realise you're talking to someone insisting to you that some men are women and that 'only females have cervixes' is something that shouldn't be said, there is zero point in expecting them to make sense on any other subject.

He really needs to work o. His communication. I recognise this hard because words now have multiple meanings in some people's worlds. Absolutely this is all about men who say they are women. It is so blatant I am just aghast how so many women go along with it and are the foot soldiers. Many of those women are saying they are men or the daft non binary.
As lawyer trained how can Starmer reconcile those men that want to infringe the rights of women and girls. He is living in la la land.

IDK where he's getting his facts from. I'd like him to explain, since he is using them to make up his mind on something that directly affects me.

Yep, it’s all this nonsense that will most likely add to the “Red Wave” expected in the national midterm elections. Here in the USA red is the Republican color, rather than the left (yes, I know, strange!). So many people are getting fed up about being openly lied to about what everyone can see is a man : Rachel Levine and Lia Thomas for example. People don’t appreciate being treated like idiots.

Less than 0.1% of people murder, I don't think their effect on society should be ignored because they are a small percentage.