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Starmer and his 99.9%

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bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 13:48

The Labour leader is desperately trying to stay on the fence with his 99.9% of women are biological women schtick.

He repeated it in the recent MN interview.

Let me be clear, as he is so fond of saying, 100% of women are biological women. And as long as you keep pandering to this alleged "0.1%", we will lose the language we need to describe us, and we will lose the right to single sex spaces. Women are a sex class. And any attempt to pretend otherwise will fall over at the first scrutiny. And you will lose the election because you have manufactured an existential crisis for women. Try harder.

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Pixiedust1234 · 31/10/2022 17:27

We are doomed then! 😱

Sausagenbacon · 31/10/2022 17:27

Which is ridiculous when you think about it given this really blew up here when everyone was concerned about Mays intention to review the GRA. As a group we are aware how absolutely useless each party is regarding womens rights.
You are aware that the Tories decided not to go ahead with reform of the GRA. And Labour have repeatedly said they would carry out reform?

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 17:25

Autocucumber thinks we are boys!

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 17:24

MarshaBradyo · 31/10/2022 17:10

I’m sure Labour supporters would like this to be the case. But no not everyone is a ‘bot’ Hmm

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If we are boys we must be very sophisticated ones seeing as we agree and disagree with each other across a variety of threads!

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bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 17:22

"I'm curious, has he backed up this claim with official studies or anything that can be receipted, or does he just feel its that proportion?"

Suspect his advisers have told him this is a smart way to play it. Anything to pretend this is about a tiny minority who are all like Haley from Corrie. Instead of it being about the majority of this country.

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MarshaBradyo · 31/10/2022 17:10

BitOutOfPractice · 31/10/2022 15:20

I am starting to think that these threads are being started by Tory HQ bots.

Because anyone who thinks the Conservative party is a friend of women is deluded.

I’m sure Labour supporters would like this to be the case. But no not everyone is a ‘bot’ Hmm

TheBiologyStupid · 31/10/2022 17:08

JoodyBlue · 31/10/2022 14:17

I was very disappointed with the interview he gave Justine. There was a sense overall of being jolly on the sofa and oh so very considered and reasonable and just talking common sense to the mummies. When she raised the questions from GC women he looked to the female MP to answer first, nodding along. He gave zero indication that he had engaged at all with any of the issues GC women raise. They are serious issues. 100% credibility destroyed for me in that interview and on the back of it I could not vote for him as PM. It was not just what he said or didn't say. It was the general air of not taking the audience seriously. Put that in your focus group pipe and smoke it LP.

Absolutely. He was asked my question about how Labour justified criticising the lack of women in the current cabinet given that until a few days ago the Tories had their third female prime minister. Sadly, my follow-up about how Anneliese Dodds was able to calculate the underrepresentation of women at all, when she and her party apparently don't know what one actually is, wasn't put to him.

Pixiedust1234 · 31/10/2022 17:08

I'm curious, has he backed up this claim with official studies or anything that can be receipted, or does he just feel its that proportion?

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 31/10/2022 17:05

Theres a sense that we are nearing an election, so any criticism of labour is seen as support for the conservatives, and to a lesser extent the other way round.

Which is ridiculous when you think about it given this really blew up here when everyone was concerned about Mays intention to review the GRA. As a group we are aware how absolutely useless each party is regarding womens rights.

FunnyTalks · 31/10/2022 16:50

BitOutOfPractice · 31/10/2022 15:20

I am starting to think that these threads are being started by Tory HQ bots.

Because anyone who thinks the Conservative party is a friend of women is deluded.

I'm starting to think similarly about divisive figures such as Lily Madigan and Eddie Izzard.

Absolute gift for the Conservatives.

Mind you this thread and similar are very obviously populated with left wing women devastated that their party has completely forgotten its roots, purpose and senses.

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bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 16:49

@ZuttZeVootEeeVo you're right. It's a huge deal that he has even said this. But he's afraid to explain actual policy. He's just said "trust me, there will be a way to make this work ". And I don't.

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ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 31/10/2022 16:43

Starmers stating the situation, rather than a solution. Hes saying 99% of women are women because they are female, 1% consider themselves women, even though they are not female. (Although, as pp said, i dont know where hes getting his figures from)

Which, to be fair on him, is a lot clearer than a lot of politicians can express.

The problem is, just stating the situation isnt answering the question, or assuring anyone that hes going to come up with a solution. Its fustrating to get this far into the issue, and hes moved from 'we shouldnt say only women have a cervix' to '1% of men want to be in women spaces' and think hes nailed it.

MarshaBradyo · 31/10/2022 16:41

He’s hopeless

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bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 16:38

Clause 4, for younger viewers, was the bit of the Labour Party constitution that kept trade unions with a say over what the Labour Party did in government. It was why Labour stayed out of power so long despite the ravages of Thatcherism. Kinnock (and his replacement Smith who died young, sadly) eventually fought it off and that meant the Tories couldn't go after them any more on undemocratic trade union influence on government.
This feels like that. As long as Starmer keeps Labour in thrall to these Men's Rights Activists, it is vulnerable to even the most limp and disgusting Tory Party.

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TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 16:32

bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 16:31

Freudian slip on dear Rachel. Identifying as something you can never be or ever understand.

Yes, easy mistake to make!

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bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 16:32

@JohnsShirt , aren't Alba making gender critical noises. Although that assumes you are in favour of independence. If you aren't, there's only the Tories.

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bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 16:31

Freudian slip on dear Rachel. Identifying as something you can never be or ever understand.

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JohnsShirt · 31/10/2022 16:29

I live in Scotland.
I'm 100% politically homeless.

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 16:28

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 16:21

Yes. Forgetting conveniently that someone like, say, Katie Dolezal, has already affected the lives of several girls and women.

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Katie Dolatowski!

metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/

Rachel Dolezal is the American woman who identified as black.

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 16:21

Novina · 31/10/2022 14:06

It's the failed "logic" of the GRA: it's only a tiny number, so it won't make a significant difference to your rights.

Yes. Forgetting conveniently that someone like, say, Katie Dolezal, has already affected the lives of several girls and women.

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bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 16:19

I'm trusting that he is a clever man on the nuance of the law - former DPP etc - and he has been advised that this 99.9% nonsense works as a strategy to diffuse any attempt to challenge him properly. And he's counting on people thinking this is a trans issue, therefore a tiny minority issue, and not a women's issue which is a majority issue. He's taking a gamble. And he will fail.

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Unseelie · 31/10/2022 16:15

bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 13:53

He really doesn't get it. And he really thinks we are stupid.

This is the worry. The issues have been debated in the press and on Mumsnet. He has plenty if staffers and researchers to help him. If he really doesn’t grasp the issues by now, then he isn’t bright enough to run the country. 😔 The fact that the Tories are utterly shit doesn’t mean Starmer is competent, sadly. The sex vs gender devate has shon a spotlight on the fact that Stermer might be a bit thick.

AlisonDonut · 31/10/2022 16:08

As far as I am concerned Starmer can take his 0.01% and shove it up his [redacted].

We are 51% of the population and we matter.

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 16:07

I think you are both right.

it is a massive problem across political parties (especially those on the centre left/left)

But also the buck stops with the party leader.

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bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 16:06

If you are the age you say you are you will remember Jennifer's Ear. A seemingly tiny issue can dominate an election campaign. And this is just such an issue. And it's not tiny.

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