Starmer and his 99.9%

Thank, @TheClogLady, that’s very helpful indeed. It makes you see better the damage that Mordaunt did in her short tenure in Women & Equalities under Theresa May, with a cohort of civil servants who seemed entirely happy for it to happen. (And in the case of the Cass review, NOT happen, because it’s clear now that Mordaunt - despite her backtracking drivel in the first leadership contest tv hustings - failed to instigate it as promised.)

Advisory Panel Resignations March 2021 (blamed on Truss and Badenoch)

theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/government-adviser-quits-over-hostile-environment-for-lgbt-people

Looks like the LGBT Advisory Panel were a Penny Mordaunt thing? Announced March 2019:

www.gov.uk/government/news/government-appoints-first-national-adviser-for-lgbt-health

This October 2019 Vice article suggests that Dominic Cummings was the driver re: appointing Truss!

www.vice.com/en/article/evjqzk/gender-recognition-act-whats-happening

And pretty much everything that has happened since (scrapping of the GRA update, Cass, slowing down the conversion therapy bill etc) has been under Truss with Badenoch as junior. Presumably Sunek has made Badenoch boss of that department to continue along the same lines that Truss started under Johnson?

screenshots are the timeline for the W&E’s handovers (from wiki) the bit from the vice article and a Peen News article I’m not linking to:

who formed that advisory committee who resigned en mass?

off to ask Google (will probably get endless Peen News articles…)

His calculation imo is that there will be less fuss from left wing women (who can mainly be gaslit and shamed into keeping quiet) than young noisy activists. I think he’s a fool. The tories will keep this issue simmering until election year, then blow it up into a huge issue du jour. he needs to tackle it now rather than hoping the issue will go away (it won’t, it will get worse).

I was too busy picking my jaw off the floor at being mentioned to notice his reaction - I'll have to watch that moment again!

I noticed that too. I was mentally shouting “HOW are you facilitating debate in Labour, Keir, and with whom?”

Did I also notice him blench slightly when Justine said “And now here’s a question from The Biology Stupid” ?! Your handle must have given him a rather unsubtle clue as to what so many mumsnetters think!

And Mordaunt was out of role in Women & Equalities on 24-7-19?

Yes, replaced by Amber Rudd who Mordaunt had herself taken over from. But it was Liz Truss who was in post when Cass was announced!

I’ve never voted Tory in my life but I will next time while Labour spout this shite.

Yes, no mention that Labour Women's Declaration weren't allowed a stall at conference despite saying that they would pay the going rate. I'm not sure where KS thinks the discussion is happening within Labour!

And despite him saying he was aware of the Cass Review I cynically noted that he didn't straightforwardly say that he had read it himself, which was what he was actually asked...

And Mordaunt was out of role in Women & Equalities on 24-7-19?

I did appreciate the way Justine put these questions: firstly by introducing the question of gender as being a matter of women's rights and children's safeguarding, and then following up with a question about women's spaces. I was surprised that Starmer was so direct about children not being transed without the consent of their parents. However, the vagueness that followed, that safe spaces should be protected in some undefined way - and "open decent respectful discussion" - I might be hypersensitive but I hear that sort of thing as a criticism of gender critical women who have so far tried to stand up for women's rights and have been accused, unfairly in my view, of being "toxic" and "hateful"

According to the Cass Review's website, "The Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People (The Cass Review) was commissioned by NHS England and NHS Improvement in Autumn 2020 to make recommendations about the services provided by the NHS to children and young people who are questioning their gender identity or experiencing gender incongruence". There's no mention of the politicians involved, but Matt Hancock was Secretary of State for Health and Social Care at the time.

cass.independent-review.uk/about-the-review/terms-of-reference/

Something shifted in the Conservative party after May left and johnson took over. I think a lot of trans sympathisers were swept away, and their replacements werent on board with the changes suggested.

No party seems willing to look critically at how the GRA and the PC of GI in the Equality Act allows for self id, though. Or how giving a man female id works in sex segregate spaces.

Yes. Thats why i said Mays intention.

Just checked and the Cass Review was announced by NHS England as long ago as September 2020.

I don't know for sure but Nikki Da Costa who used to be the Director of Legislative Affairs at No 10 when Boris Johnson was there, has written several articles on the subject and probably was involved in making sure Johnson was fully aware of all the issues and not just the 'Stonewalled' civil service versions.
His off the cuff announcement while visiting a hospital that men should not be competing in women's professional sport....came as such a relief to the people on this forum....crazy that we had to be grateful for the PM publicly agreeing that TWANW. Lots of things seemed to happen from this point on.

I’d love to know but I presume the mundane reality is it took several people repeatedly pressuring whoever had the ability to sign it off (and they might not be familiar names),

As more and more teens are socially transitioning in schools (often middle-ish class* children in cosmopolitan areas) I would guess that more and more MPs of all parties are finding the issues landing on their own door step - if not their own children (although I note that Hancock, Badenoch and Mordaunt are all fairly young by Tory MP standards) then their grandchildren, or the children of their parliamentary and constituency staff)

*I’m not overlooking the gender distressed children who are in the looked after system btw, but those children have always appeared in the historical GIDS (and GIDS equivalent services in other countries) data rather than suddenly appearing in the ROGD cohort, which is the group that MPs may well now be noticing in their own private/family lives.

It’s such a tedious feature of threads about Labour’s policy on women’s sex based rights that somebody turns up to tell us that the Tooooooooories don’t care about women, that we shouldn’t be such naive fools and that there are more important things to concern ourselves about. Calling us all bots is a new one, so slow handclap for some originality I suppose.

I am a member of the Labour Party. I’m well aware of where the proposal re self-ID originated. I am also aware that the Conservative Party walked it back and it is no longer their policy, and that from everything Starmer says with his obfuscating “we will modernise…” spiel it looks like self-ID is going to be Labour policy. Finally, yes I am aware that there are other issues. I do have the ability to be bothered about more than one policy area at a time. I also choose, as a Labour Party member, to keep trying to bring this issue to the top of the pile. It might not resonate with many voters now, but in two years when Jeremy Hunt has nicked more of Labour’s economic proposals and/or when more people have realised the wider implications of self ID, it may assume greater prominence.

I am extremely grateful for the Cass review, for example.

As a bit of an aside, does anyone know for sure, with the 'receipts', which Tory minister/SoS actually finally ordered the Cass review to happen?

I've seen on here it was Hancock. Then I've seen it was Badenoch.

I know it wasn't Mordaunt, but she claims credit for everything after the fact.

Just musing.

OP I recognise you well from the Brexit and Preppers boards! Like you, I'm now politically homeless and if anyone wants to scold me for being a Tory bot, well fill yer boots.

I agree with this.

There is an extra layer of betrayal in how Labour have behaved. I expected them to be better and they’ve let me down (I’ve done hours and hours of leaflet donkeying and door knocking and election count monitoring for years and years).

Whereas my expectations of the conservatives were rock bottom so it’s easier to be grateful for small glimmers of hope.

I am extremely grateful for the Cass review, for example. Would a Labour government have done the same? I doubt it.

Agreed. I think posters here are often angrier with Labour because many of us are historically Labour voters. Also, the Conservatives are making the right noises, but they could stop men in women's prisons tomorrow if they wanted to, but they don't, so they may be talking the talk but they aren't walking the walk either.

Bellinisurge I resigned from Labour when Corbyn was elected and now vote Conservative for 3 reasons:
Firstly why should I disenfranchise myself, when the Tories are the only party not totally sold on this gender identity ideology and the only ones not to have accused me of bigotry when I have raised these issues by email?.
Do you really think the suffragettes would want you to not use your vote? By not using it, the MENz and the TRAS have won, they might as well have removed your right to vote like in the Handmaid's Tale.
Secondly because I can rely on them not to grant a 2nd Referendum and I live in Scotland and
thirdly because they are the only party standing up for free speech right now.
I won't be going back to the left either, they have not valued my support and disrespected my sex-based rights.

Haha it took me three goes to write bot 😂