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Starmer and his 99.9%

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bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 13:48

The Labour leader is desperately trying to stay on the fence with his 99.9% of women are biological women schtick.

He repeated it in the recent MN interview.

Let me be clear, as he is so fond of saying, 100% of women are biological women. And as long as you keep pandering to this alleged "0.1%", we will lose the language we need to describe us, and we will lose the right to single sex spaces. Women are a sex class. And any attempt to pretend otherwise will fall over at the first scrutiny. And you will lose the election because you have manufactured an existential crisis for women. Try harder.

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ScrollingLeaves · 04/11/2022 10:04

FunnyTalks · Today 09:55
I am struggling to get past Filia and the Labour Women's Declaration being denied stalls at the Labour Party conference. Which weren't even refilled for the event

That action is the Labour Party actually stifling women's speech and feminist thought.

What words can Starmer give us to make up for that action?

He has probably worked out that he represents more women Be-Kinds as a percentage than he represents suppressed women who see this new oppression.

So he may feel smug and secure about those women he has been cancelling. He’ll probably be careful to evade any questions about it though.

FunnyTalks · 04/11/2022 09:55

I am struggling to get past Filia and the Labour Women's Declaration being denied stalls at the Labour Party conference. Which weren't even refilled for the event.

That action is the Labour Party actually stifling women's speech and feminist thought.

What words can Starmer give us to make up for that action?

ScrollingLeaves · 03/11/2022 16:59

GR for Gender Reassignment and GRC Gender Recognition Certificate is all so confusing. I don’t believe that in practice most people know what either means in law or would dare to tempt legal trouble by excluding any form of man identifying as a woman.

bellinisurge · 03/11/2022 11:14

@ZuttZeVootEeeVo , those are questions which, up to this point, have been answered by Labour with "Be Kind, you bigot".

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ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 03/11/2022 10:53

The .1% is, i think based on the number of people with a GRC. But hes ignoring those men with the protected characteristic of GR.

What he should have been asked is:

Should born male with a GRC be able to use womens single sex spaces?

If not, how will that be enforced?

If they can, what facilities do women use who cannot share facilities with born males?

Should men with the PC of GR be allowed to use womens spaces?

If yes, what are the numbers? And how do we determine which men have the PC of GR and those who do not?

Given some born males are given strong female id without a GRC, how do service providers determine the difference between the .1% and those self identified male born women?

ScrollingLeaves · 02/11/2022 18:18

minipie 31/10/2022 14:08
What’s he trying to say with his 99.9% point? That this isn’t a big deal?

Well yes it is if that 0.1% are allowed into women’s safe spaces and sports. 0.1% is enough to have a significant effect on the women who have to share those spaces with them.

If they just let one man into a women’s prison for every 1000 women, or one male Olympic athlete into every women’s Olympic event, would he think that was ok? As it’s just 0.1%?

Not to mention the erasure of the meaning of the word woman as pp have said. Does dog still mean dog if 0.1% of dogs are actually cats? No it doesn’t.

I think many more than 1 in 1000 people are MtF transgender now.

nilsmousehammer · 02/11/2022 17:52

Dogwhistle.

Noun.

Meanings:

Shut up
Shutupshutupshutup
That conversation is really inconvenient and I don't want to have it
These are facts and thoughts that risk believers being drawn away from the One True Faith if permitted to enter their heads
Paniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiic

nilsmousehammer · 02/11/2022 17:49

Did that drive by poster explain what rights are being lost?

  • they never do
  • the right to unfairly subordinate and exclude females and to own/control all female spaces
  • to trump and oppress female rights

In essence. Oddly no one ever wishes to state this or defend it.

FrancescaContini · 02/11/2022 07:43

AutumnsCrow · 01/11/2022 23:48

It won't be long before saying 'dog whistle' becomes a 'dog whistle'.

Quite.

bellinisurge · 02/11/2022 06:44

Did that drive by poster explain what rights are being lost? Because the right to be validated by 51% of the population who need to put themselves at risk to do so isn't a right. It's a demand for compliance.

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AutumnsCrow · 01/11/2022 23:48

It won't be long before saying 'dog whistle' becomes a 'dog whistle'.

Asdavaluesausage · 01/11/2022 23:44

Awesome. Just call me Barbara Woodhouse then.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 01/11/2022 23:43

Since reality does not align with gender ideology, any true statement aboir sex or gender unavoidably becomes a dog whistle.

Asdavaluesausage · 01/11/2022 23:39

Is any word not a dog whistle now?

FemaleAndLearning · 01/11/2022 23:28

Also the word families is a dog whistle now too.

Starmer and his 99.9%
Thelnebriati · 01/11/2022 23:07

the dominant class get to say This Never Happens.
the affected class are left with #metoo

Asdavaluesausage · 01/11/2022 23:04

SecretTransTwitterEngineer · 01/11/2022 22:30

I think at some point you guys have to understand that you're not going to be able to remove our rights under the EA and GRA, as much as you may desire to. Reform of the GRA is almost inevitable as well - what you gonna do when, like in 78 states / countries / provinces, nothing happens at all?

I believe that why you're so bothered about Scotland - you know it'll show the 'gender critical' fearmongering to be a lie.

On the plus side for you, looks like you'll get Twitter, trans ppl are finding alternatives in their droves and it looks like Musky wants to make it into a slightly more attractive 4 chan. Already had my 2nd death threat in 2 weeks (one from a 'GC' and the other from someone aligned with you)..joys.

Anyway..have fun with your new friends. I'll be trashing this account as I am doing with my Twitter, hopefully never to have the misfortune to meet a hideous 'GC' ever again

Flouncers corner is that way —————>

Pixiedust1234 · 01/11/2022 23:01

oh.... I missed the flounce bit Blush

Pixiedust1234 · 01/11/2022 22:59

SecretTransTwitterEngineer · 01/11/2022 22:30

I think at some point you guys have to understand that you're not going to be able to remove our rights under the EA and GRA, as much as you may desire to. Reform of the GRA is almost inevitable as well - what you gonna do when, like in 78 states / countries / provinces, nothing happens at all?

I believe that why you're so bothered about Scotland - you know it'll show the 'gender critical' fearmongering to be a lie.

On the plus side for you, looks like you'll get Twitter, trans ppl are finding alternatives in their droves and it looks like Musky wants to make it into a slightly more attractive 4 chan. Already had my 2nd death threat in 2 weeks (one from a 'GC' and the other from someone aligned with you)..joys.

Anyway..have fun with your new friends. I'll be trashing this account as I am doing with my Twitter, hopefully never to have the misfortune to meet a hideous 'GC' ever again

78 states / countries / provinces

I have repeatedly asked you to list the 78 or link to the official list on several threads. Im still waiting on your evidence. Please provide otherwise I'm going to assume you are being evasive deliberately and anything you post won't be taken seriously in future.

Thelnebriati · 01/11/2022 22:51

This Never Happens, ay right, just as you say. Ta ra.

Hepwo · 01/11/2022 22:51

Us guys?

It's definitely you guys, not us guys. We aren't guys.

Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

SecretTransTwitterEngineer · 01/11/2022 22:30

I think at some point you guys have to understand that you're not going to be able to remove our rights under the EA and GRA, as much as you may desire to. Reform of the GRA is almost inevitable as well - what you gonna do when, like in 78 states / countries / provinces, nothing happens at all?

I believe that why you're so bothered about Scotland - you know it'll show the 'gender critical' fearmongering to be a lie.

On the plus side for you, looks like you'll get Twitter, trans ppl are finding alternatives in their droves and it looks like Musky wants to make it into a slightly more attractive 4 chan. Already had my 2nd death threat in 2 weeks (one from a 'GC' and the other from someone aligned with you)..joys.

Anyway..have fun with your new friends. I'll be trashing this account as I am doing with my Twitter, hopefully never to have the misfortune to meet a hideous 'GC' ever again

bellinisurge · 01/11/2022 22:16

And not all trans people have gender dysphoria so you are also a Nazi if you say they must have gender dysphoria.

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bellinisurge · 01/11/2022 22:14

Yes they are deliberately and/or cultishly conflating the two. Gender dysphoria both is and is not a medical condition that does and does not require healthcare. Depending on what flimsy argument TRAs are punting. And it always requires unquestioning affirmation or you are a Nazi.

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FemaleAndLearning · 01/11/2022 22:09

They are confusing social transition which is not medical with Gillick Competence. Is this a deliberate conflation?
twitter.com/FurnessYoungLab/status/1587557840121733122?t=LHFKbYYKBxCQboCJjQwq3w&s=19

Starmer and his 99.9%