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It’s mad to record petty problems as crime, says police chief

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WashAsDelicates · 31/10/2022 12:20

Front page of today's Times.

If a patient with serious health issues declared to their GP they were sure they had cancer, they would be examined properly by a professional.
But their belief that they were suffering the disease would not be recorded on NHS statistics until it was actually confirmed.
That is the analogy used by Sir David Thompson, chief constable of the West Midlands, to highlight “mad” crime recording rules, because the approach taken by the police is the opposite.

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TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 13:37

Felix125 · 31/10/2022 13:30

TheClogLady
The Tweet might not be a crime on its own - but if a person says they are harassed by it - the harassment will be the crime under NCRS rules

BewareTheBeardedDragon
Was the harassment years ago? As the crime recording standards have changed recently meaning that it would have been crimed as harassment now.

Sure, but offence is not harassment, is it?

Tweets can be sent into the ether, they aren’t necessarily aimed at anyone.

And harassment needs to be more than one tweet.

www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/har/harassment-on-social-media/

It’s mad to record petty problems as crime, says police chief
Felix125 · 31/10/2022 13:30

TheClogLady
The Tweet might not be a crime on its own - but if a person says they are harassed by it - the harassment will be the crime under NCRS rules

BewareTheBeardedDragon
Was the harassment years ago? As the crime recording standards have changed recently meaning that it would have been crimed as harassment now.

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 13:08

Pixiedust1234 · 31/10/2022 13:02

oh nvm, wrong thread, wrong person Blush

Two of them are better than 1 though!

let’s hope both forces get good crime resolution data in the coming months as it will pressure others to follow their lead.

Pixiedust1234 · 31/10/2022 13:02

oh nvm, wrong thread, wrong person Blush

Pixiedust1234 · 31/10/2022 13:01

He was headhunted for Manchester because he had already turned around another force by going back to basics. They all need to learn from him.

In July 2016 Stephen took up his appointment as Chief Constable for South Yorkshire Police (SYP). During his tenure, SYP became one of the most improved force in the country for 3 consecutive years and is today amongst the very top tier of high performing forces.

Stephen became Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police in May 2021.

Georgeskitchen · 31/10/2022 12:57

The Chief constables have been told to stop investigating hurty feelz on Twitter and get out investigating proper crime.
Reading some recent reports on police behaviour , it seems that some of them didn't get the memo

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 31/10/2022 12:49

Felix125 · 31/10/2022 12:40

But if the victim states that they are being harassed or finds a post grossly offensive - then its a crime by definition.

Or who decides if its a crime or not - who decides if the victim is harassed or not

It's not though, at least not consistently. I was harassed by my ex for years and police did nothing. My feeling that I was being harnessed (and having evidence of said harassment) was not enough to make it a crime in the eyes of the police.
Being offensive is not criminal.

Igmum · 31/10/2022 12:45

At last, the grown ups have arrived. Hopefully all of the other forces will follow this line, if only to improve their crime stats.

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 12:44

Felix125 · 31/10/2022 12:40

But if the victim states that they are being harassed or finds a post grossly offensive - then its a crime by definition.

Or who decides if its a crime or not - who decides if the victim is harassed or not

Being grossly offended by a tweet does not make said tweet a crime.

Felix125 · 31/10/2022 12:40

But if the victim states that they are being harassed or finds a post grossly offensive - then its a crime by definition.

Or who decides if its a crime or not - who decides if the victim is harassed or not

BoreOfWhabylon · 31/10/2022 12:30

Heard him being interviewed on LBC earlier - he said words to the effect that if people get upset about others saying mean things, they should get off Twitter!
(Nick Ferrari show, just before 10 am)

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