Why 'Cis' is unnecessary

Yeah but some don't want to be called man / woman based on them being biologically a man or woman. So putting trans in front of it works best for them. I don't need cis in front to describe me

Pretty sure all trans men and women are also adult human females and males?

This logic is saying we all MUST join the Gender Religion and use Gender Religion Words.

I do not subscribe to the Gender Religion.

Therefore I don't think there is a problem with the language we have and I do have a problem with it being enforced onto me against my will because I don't believe in the need to have new words to 'other' me.

Utter rot.

Women and Men are perfectly sufficient. If you wish to identify differently and deny your sex, then you can make up your own words. This does not stop you being women and men though either.

They work perfectly ok. Trans man / trans woman for those that aren't men or women. It really isn't difficult

Except that they don't work.

Every adult is either a woman or a man. There is nobody who is nether of those. This really isn't difficult.

Adjective + noun means a noun that is adjective. Hence Jewish + man = a man who is Jewish. This is the way adjectives and nouns work.

By the trans ideology deliberately misuses and distorts language. Newcomers to this issue see 'trans woman' and think "A woman who is trans. Of course she should be allowed to access women's spaces if she wants."

So, no, 'transman' and 'transwoman' do not work in reference to people who reject reality, precisely because these words are entirely at odds with reality. This really shouldn't be difficult, but the trans ideology is designed to make it difficult.

Well yes. That's a better way of putting it

They work perfectly ok. Trans man / trans woman for those that aren't men or women. It really isn't difficult

Or more accurately - for those men and women who for whatever reason reject the term appropriate to their immutable sex. Every adult is, and remains a male or female.

Misses whole point of thread

Man / Woman

They work perfectly ok. Trans man / trans woman for those that aren't men or women. It really isn't difficult

Men and women will do fine.

The end goal is for transwomen to simply be called "women".

You're half right. It isn't quite that, because they want their special trans status. It's for MTF trans people to be the "women" and actual women to be relegated to a third inferior underclass. Because it's a movement populated by some of the most sexist people you'll ever encounter.

It's not succeeded despite years of trying to push and normalise that arse of a word. You still have half the population going 'you what now?' and the other half split between 'I embrace my role as a male enabler!' and 'fuck off right now'.

Hasn't caught on. Is rapidly moving towards the gangnam style dance cupboard of 'things briefly thought to be trendy'.

this.

When you're specifically discussing women's rights you dont need a word that attempts to make women a subset of themselves.

When you are specifically discussing transgender issues, having a word for people who are not trans is essential.

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I don't use the term "cis", just like I don't use the term to say that I don't have six fingers.

I like this one too.
Imagine if we had to use a term for everything that we are not!

It's not succeeded despite years of trying to push and normalise that arse of a word. You still have half the population going 'you what now?' and the other half split between 'I embrace my role as a male enabler!' and 'fuck off right now'.

Hasn't caught on. Is rapidly moving towards the gangnam style dance cupboard of 'things briefly thought to be trendy'.

I think the use of the term ‘Cis’ is an attempt to ‘other’ women and treat us a a subset of our own sex. I have seen some tras attempt to say that they are ‘women’ and we are not.

I find it incredibly offensive and if anyway attempted to use that term with me, they would regret it.

Cis is a form of language creep to undermine and remove power from women. The concept is to 'remove priviledge' from women by suggesting the have priviledge. In reality women do not have priviledge over males. So this is a male supremecy movement. This is best highlights when you get the use of 'cis women and women' which suggests that those who are trans are the default.

Cis is an affront to women for this reason, as its about removing more power from women, when we already have an inequality of power.

It seems to be the case that due to increased homophobia and the denial of homosexuality as a thing by homophobic hate groups like Stonewall, increasing number of the L and G refuse to self-identify as such, with young lesbians the most put-upon group (oh, what a surprise!)

The trans community seems to be somewhat conflicted between "authentically" living your life as the one thing that you are categorically not, and being "stealth". It must be incredibly difficult to be constantly pulled towards the viewpoint that you are special, unlike the boring cis people, whilst also wanting the world to treat you as if you were the opposite sex, ideally because it has failed to notice you as trans.

I’ll never accept being called “Cis”. It hurts my feelings so please don’t or I may “cancel” you 😉I am a woman …. end of.
Talking of labelling of groups , Lesbians are proud to be called that and Gay men also as far as I’m aware , and rightly so IMHO
Why aren’t Trans women or Trans men proud to be called just that? Be proud of your differences !

Just a quick point. Have you go any evidence whatsoever to back up your assertion that "in the West where [trans] individuals believe they are the opposite sex"? Some trans women claim to be women, but not all. Do many literally claim to be the opposite sex, and if they do what evidence can you provide that they are being honest when they make the claim?

Who cares?

That's a polite explanation, op. There is also the No, Thank You option. And the Fuck Off option. I'm currently only using the latter silently.

I don't know anything about this Samoan thing but I suppose I'm a little cynical about it... I know that a huge number of Samoan rugby players have refused to wear pride symbols etc because of extreme Bible-bashing type beliefs, I can't help but wonder if this identity thing might just be a way of trying to legitimise homosexuality in the face of what's otherwise very serious discrimination? But either way, it seems preferable to our trans ideology in at least one respect, namely that there's no pretence that the men who do this thing are indistinguishable from/in all material respects the same as women.

I couldn't remember either of the names (hajira or fa'afafine) but I knew the absolute inappropriateness of elements of these cultures being co-opted by Western tras especially as a kind of 'gotcha' against people who don't buy into the gi faith.