Legal change could make Scotland into a trans haven

Oh, and maybe one of the new contributors who believes TWAW would like to have a go at the challenging question of defining the word ‘woman’ without circular references or relating it to undefined feelings

Deca34r and Suggestionsplease there’s no point in just claiming victory - you need to support your statements with evidence! My experience is that many young lesbians don’t want to entertain the idea of partnering with any male, but can find it difficult and dangerous to express that view among their peers. But that’s just my experience, and my understanding of the attitude of a small number of teenagers proves nothing without wider evidence to back it up. Do you have any?

What absolute bollocks 🤣😂🤣

They're not redefining it unilaterally.

Whether people on this board like it or not there is a broad consensus of young gay women now who support the inclusive definition and use it naturally without a second thought.

Language evolves. There is no one authority over it.

Sturgeon is not interested in Independence. Sturgeon is interested in her career post-First Minister. It won't be long now; she'll be wanting a cushy seat somewhere impressive.

Wait, otters?

Is that you, Nancy?

Nope it’s never the gc it’s just as you said you saw transphobic post actually a couple that got deleted and passive aggressiveness but nope you r right your side is just full of sweet angles, I am not a child either I am 42

To the person that put it has been proven that more lesbians hate trans or don’t support trans people that’s not true is it if you look at pride marches etc so many more lesbians happy to support their trans sisters even this article shows how many more supported them sadly for some on here that don’t want to accept that www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/lesbians-stand-trans-women-open-letter-dangerous-bbc-article-rcna3903

Stop calling people homophobic because they say that some lesbians do in deed date trans women that’s not homophobic at all because it’s actually true

sigh Scotland already has the highest incidence of Multiple Sclerosis in the WORLD. We can't afford to have this frankly unhealthy population move here and eat up healthcare resources. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26857201/

So, correct me if I’m wrong Freespirit,
‘woman’ is anyone who says they are
‘lesbian’ is anyone who says they are

What about ‘DBS checked’, is that anyone who says they are?
How about ‘child’?

Just for the record.

it has been proven multiple times that the majority of the lesbian gay and bisexual people do not support the TQ community.

Thanks for that

The problem is that several include intersex and they have repeated asked to be left out of this.
A couple are the same.
The access to single sex spaces isn't entirely true.
The Olympics one is technically true but ignores that trans people have won at various sports displacing women and doesn't include the non-binary footballer.

Also it switches from trans to non binary and back again.

Part of the LGBTQ+++ ever growing assortment of letters.
T: Transgender
Q: Queer

What is TQ please.

Poor otters, getting dragged in by an angry child.

I've seen one "transphobic" post on this thread and it was rightly deleted swiftly. As they always are.

This argument always descends and it's never the GC among us who resort to anger and insults.

@Freespirit42 lesbian by definition means same sex attracted. So a woman who claims to be lesbian will only be attracted to biological women.

If a woman is attracted to women and trans women then that would be bisexual or pansexual. It doesn't really matter what they say they are - I could say I'm French when I'm not - but if they don't fit the definition of same sex only attracted, they're not lesbian.

Well yes, I imagine having extra strong women with big hands will be very helpful for the sheep rearing and highlands life

@VinoDino no none yet. I have a feeling we’ll never get one. I love the fact these posters can’t define ‘woman’ but are very sure that transwomen are women. If they can’t define woman, how do they know a TW is one? And I’ve run out of pastries 😢😢😢😢

Have we got a definition about what a woman is yet @Asdavaluesausage? Feel like I'm skipping round all the threads waiting for this big elusive answer that I'm never going to get 😂

👏 100% with bells on. If some lesbians have discovered that the like having sexual with men that identify as women they can crack on but they are no longer lesbians. As you said, that title is taken. If they want to make up another term for this sexuality then go ahead, but they do not get to change the goalposts of being a lesbian.

@Freespirit42 Sorry in case you missed it, this is for you.

Still waiting on a definition of woman. Come on, if you know that trans women are women (despite apparently trans meaning on the other side of), you must be able to define woman in a non circular way. Once you have defined it I'll know on what basis we are talking and whether or not I fit in to your definition.

Careful @Freespirit42 your homophobia is becoming extremely transparent. A lesbian is a female homosexual. They sleep with females only.

males claiming they are ‘lesbians’ are no different than the blokes down the pub saying the same thing. Both disgustingly homophobic. Fuck off with that shit. The word lesbian is taken and it does not include males in any way shape or form.

Read my post again.

A loophole that will allow any predatory male access to vulnerable females by claiming transhood.

If a simple claim is all that it takes, anyone and everyone is trans. Everyone. A simple promise and maybe a fiver for an admin fee.

Are you really so unimaginative and sheltered that you cannot conceive of that loophole being used by someone with bad intentions?