Woman harassed in women's bathroom by a gender critical woman who thinks she is trans, she is upset by the experience.

'Go to your bedroom and figure out your identity, then project it onto all of us...' Not the sort of GC pro tip I'm used to tbh. It sounded a lot more like what TRAs think we say.

My priority as a feminist will never be shitting on trans women in league with the right and far right who want to undermine those priorities.

I'm trying to understand this one. So there are 'trans women in league with the right and the far right'? (Are they the men in black masks wearing black clothes who behave aggressively at women's gatherings, or the organisers? They do have very right wing tactics, I agree.) But you won't be shitting on them?

@MargaritaPie

Women are women and sex = female.

Transwomen are Transwomen and sex = male

No need to add CIS as it’s completely meaningless.

HTH?

Cis? What dis?🧐

You are not a feminist. You are a Mens Rights Activist in league with the far right yourself, and you shitting on women's basic human rights, dignity and safety is evidence of this.

I don’t believe in gender. Woman will do just fine.

My priority as a feminist is protecting women’s reproductive rights from the sustained attacks they are under.

Which sustained attacks are the reproductive rights of women with a penis and testicles under? I've not heard about this, could you expand please?

I get so confused by these terms, can't we just use woman when we are on about a woman, cis is not a thing you just mean a woman. Then you could say a man (who dresses as a woman) or a woman (who dresses as a man) I never know if a trans man means they are a man or a woman (sex wise) pretending to be a man or a woman? So was there a man in the womens toilet or was there 2 women and 1 was pretending to be a man. Its hard work for someone that doesn't understand the terms.

A security guard in PC World once called me 'Sir'.

We both giggled about it like a pair of school girls 😁.

I am similar height and build to you. I've had one instance of being challenged about using the ladies, in a theatre. The person who challenged me - an usher who genuinely thought I'd got the wrong door - was effusively apologetic when she realised her error. It was all a bit awkward at the time; probably more so for her than for me. But it was a funny story pretty quickly.

Why does anyone put PIE in their name? Given the accusations leveled at Queer theory I would have thought it would be the last thing to add in there?

Same.

So @goldfinchonthelawn how do we tell the difference? 90% of TW retain their penis. To be trans according to the TRA you just need to say the magic words. How are women supposed to know who to let into their spaces and who to exclude?

Why not just have sex segregated toilets. TW will be perfectly fine in the male toilets, and if not, that’s not actually womens problem to solve is it?

I don't get the appeal of pan au chocolate, especially when you can have the unrivalledly delicious round ring thing with raisins in.

Whenever I see CIS used I think of builders etc! I used to work in tax and advise on the CIS scheme many years ago!

Me! There's no such thing as cis women.

There are women and non-women.

My priority as a feminist is protecting women’s reproductive rights from the sustained attacks they are under.

My priority as a feminist is changing an economic model that is built on low wages and attacks on a welfare state that disproportionately hurt women.

My priority as a feminist will never be shitting on trans women in league with the right and far right who want to undermine those priorities.

Also hairline.

Want a pain au chocolat whilst we wait @VinoDino ?

My feeling is - if women and transwomen enter a toilet, use it, wash their hands and go, there is ZERO issue.

If male perverts in frocks abuse trans rights to gain access to women's spaces, there is a MASSIVE problem. Judge the behaviour, not the existence, of the people you come into contact with.

I am baffled and have been for years why treanswomen don't join forces with women to address the issue of perverts threatening women and abusing trans rights. Until the trans movement is on board with this genuine and very troubling issue, feminists and trans rights activists are going to keep clashing.

All those seeking erasure of the term “cis woman” in favour of the word “woman” 🙋🏻‍♀️

Its in the face, nothing to do with build or clothing.

I saw a young bloke, nice looking chap, in 'womans'' clothes on the bus, full make up and long hair. (I suspect from his manor he though he 'passed' (he looked lovely btw))
Mens faces and womans faces, even though it must be only millimeters difference in the jaw, forehead, the set of the eyes, but its immediately obvious.

I wonder if, due to evolution and women being at such an elevated threat from men, that men can't tell so easily.
But actually that does not hold water as men are also at a hugely elevated threat from other men compared to women.
I think everyone can tell.

Feminism isn’t about pandering to male demands just because they pop on a dress. This wouldn’t be happening if men stayed out of our spaces.

No it doesn't completely keep women safe, nothing is completely safe, but it is a safeguarding measure and generally work quite well. Which is why statistically unisex facilities are more dangerous for women.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

Also, ironic that in the example you have given there to show how unsafe toilets are,the toilets in question would have been gender neutral.

I'm on the app, I struggle with quoting!

We'll both sit waiting patiently for these examples.