New Minister for Women - Maria Caulfield - is pro life.

BANNING ABORTION WILL MURDER WOMEN AND LITTLE GIRLS

''Because of this new law, doctors can't help me. A woman is like an incubator. Let's hope I don't get sepsis or I will never leave this place'' Polish Izabella Sajbor texted her mom during her miscarriage.

She died of sepsis from a miscarriage.

They delayed care because there was a heartbeat and they were scared of going to jail.

After her death, more stories came out of polish women dying since they banned abortion.

Remember that Irish dentist that was left to die from sepsis miscarriage too?? And remember those irish women and that other story of a 16 year old dying of cancer because of the abortion law?

What about that American who nearly died in Malta because of their abortion law?

And that Italian woman left to die because her doctors didn't remove the other fetus during a miscarriage? Abortion was allowed there, but he didn't do it because of religious beliefs and waited, she died. This is with abortion allowed, imagine with that protection going away, how many more women will die.

Since they banned abortion in USA, there's been women coming out saying they didn't receive care during their miscarriages either, risking their life and health.

Oh and with abortion banned, women are forced to carry and birth sick, suffering babies with severe fetal birth defects that will have no quality of life and watch them die. Just recently there was a story of women in usa and now poland were forced to carry and birth a headless fetus that lived a few hours.

The life of mother exception doesn't work because you have to be sick enough for it to work and the doctor has to be able to prove it. You have to be dying on the table, like minutes away from death or the doctors will be questioned and risks being accused of intervening too soon. And no doctor will risk his freedom and job for a stranger. So they delay care until it's too late.

And how many women and girls will be beaten to death to make them miscarry by men who don't want it?

It's not even Pro choice, It's PRO WOMEN LIFE.

There is no pro-murder.🙄 Because no one is murdered.🤷‍♀️ Unless you're talking about the crazies who target medical staff.

I’m strongly ‘pro-life’ but I’m ‘pro-choice’ even more. It’s a dumb and divisive dichotomy.

Christians do not demand the absence of choice. We believe freedom of choice is God-given. We just don’t condone murder. Simple as that.

Indeed. Let’s call pro-choice what it is: pro- murder, pro-discrimination, pro-racism, pro-classism.

don’t make the mistake in thinking pro lifers are unqualified in having experience in abortion, especially first hand. It’s usually what makes them pro life.

Freedom of belief and religion.

+1

Tory PM Sunak has been meeting with forced birthers disability rights campaigners who want to reduce Women's rights to abortion in the UK.

And this relates to Christians who demand that British women be prevented from terminating pregnancies... how?

"Christians are being persecuted! Persecuted! It's a War on Christianity by ."

Christian ARE persecuted. Being a Christian is a death sentence in many countries around the globe.

www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2022/01/20/one-in-seven-christian-minorities-under-threat-in-2022/

I'd be surprised if the abortion laws in this country changed. I think they are fair, reasonable and liberal. Like many women, I consider abortion to be a necessary right but morally it's complex. There's not much appetite to either make the laws more restrictive or more liberal, I'd have thought. I feel like in the UK this is one thing that we've managed to get just about right.

I suppose we can always fuck it up.

Oh good lord, can you imagine the shitstorm of martyrdom that would follow if we did that?

"Christians are being persecuted! Persecuted! It's a War on Christianity by <insert bogeyman here>."

For activists of a certain stripe it would be like all their Christmasses had come at once – including for many who weren't necessarily anti-abortion in the first place but would never miss a good bit of fake martyrdom.

And TBF, I suspect it might genuinely be into dodgy legal territory re interfering with freedom of religion.

I think ArabellaScott has it right, ditto Sturgeon in that BBC story linked above, that protests belong outside parliament, not outside clinics. And also not outside churches.

Wonder how they would react to a picket line as they went to morning service or evening mass, and we all said we are here out of kindness to save you!

Frankly it doesnt work at 8 weeks either. It's still birth, with the exception of surgical abortions (not late term ones), a pregnancy always ends in a birth, whether vaginal or a c section.

Stand corrected. Tired because of posting late at night. Quite right after a period of counter prostests clinics did request that people didn't set them us as it made it even more distressing for women attending.

Maybe we need to think a useful way to counter protest, say in the centre of the town or city, by leafleting to let people know the intimidation that is being organised.

So how does that work for a 32 week abortion if the women’s not ‘forced’ to give birth? It doesn’t get magically reabsorbed. Your term doesn’t make sense.

I find "pro-life" a deeply frustrating expression. However my own preferred term-"forced birther"- doesn't go down well.

Sorry meant to include this link about the Tory party failure to stand up for abortion rights. Does anyone remember this from July?

Abortion deleted from UK Government-organised international human rights statement humanists.uk/2022/07/19/abortion-deleted-from-uk-government-organised-international-human-rights-statement/

40 Days for Life has been active in the UK for decades and in the past women's groups used to organise counter demos.

So it isn't that some US tide of evangelicals is coming to the UK, but that we seem to have lost interest in counter protesting.

Just to point out the Caulfield is not the Minister for Women. She is Undersecretary (which is think is two steps down from a Minister) in 2 different departments. One Health, one trade.

In Health she has specific responsibility amongst other things for Women's Health and Mental Health, but if I have read the .gov page correctly has been demoted as was previously Minister of State for Health (a Truss appointee?).

Also of interest she have responsibility for Gender ID services.

But presumably as an under secretary she reports to her Ministers, so maybe not a worry, but then given her views how did she even get these Under Secretary Roles. This thread from Anneliese Dodds has some interesting facts about the current Cabinet's votes on abortion issues. twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1588863009103155201 which might explain it.

Although the thread did prompt this response "You are giving away women's sex based rights. You are in no position to occupy the moral high ground."

What is the difference between a talking point and making something a thing?

Pregnant Women's bodily autonomy is under threat. As are UK Women's rights across the board. What with the sun setting on the Sunset clause and all.

What does it benefit women to have a Women's minister who centres the voice of the unborn🙄 rather than women?