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Article in Jewish News - Alan Johnson on sex based rights

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ArabellaScott · 28/10/2022 20:39

Good, short, punchy summary of the issue.

www.jewishnews.co.uk/opinion-the-wilful-erasure-of-hard-fought-desperately-needed-sex-based-rights/

  • prompted by this:
www.jewishnews.co.uk/appalled-and-disgusted-rabbi-accused-of-transphobia-over-eddie-izzard-tweet/
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JanieAllen · 29/10/2022 15:42

interesting article - no comments though?

EpicChaos · 29/10/2022 15:08

" Yes. And I doubt he would have been able to write this if he'd still been working at a university. "

Ain't that just the truth!
It's a very worrying and indeed scary situation, when you remember that todays uni students are for the most part, it seems, incapable of critical thinking/independent thoughts and who are believers of the woo woo, are tomorrows politicians and not only that but they are also tomorrows parents!

ChristinaXYZ · 29/10/2022 14:43

Thank you @ArabellaScott

EpicChaos · 29/10/2022 14:38

He was espousing GC views, ergo = heretic. So it could go either way, to be fair.

RambamThankyouMam · 29/10/2022 12:21

I know Rabbi Solomons and his wife, and they're great!

I'm Reform/Masorti but find myself agreeing more with the orthodox stance on this, which has been something of an eye-opener. My Masorti shul partnered last year with a Liberal rabbi to deliver a talk on drag to 11-year-olds, which caused a huge rift in the community. Several old stalwart members actually left.

Igmum · 29/10/2022 12:17

JustWaking · 29/10/2022 11:39

Just checked the tweet, and it's now up to
Retweet = think it's a man = 4133
Like = think it's a woman = 754

There are also 255 quote tweets, which I guess are just comment.

So more than 5 times as many of the people who responded consider Eddie Izzard to be a man than a woman.

Oh thank goodness - that's cheered me up! (I'm too tired to follow gender woo)

user47438673 · 29/10/2022 11:43

EpicChaos · 28/10/2022 22:29

No, he'd likely have been boiled alive, or suffered some other sort of medieval torture had he been!

No he wouldn't have been boiled alive, because he's a man. It's women that are punished most for transgressing.

Funny how people can tell the difference between a man and a woman when they want to, and they don't even check their pronouns first.

JustWaking · 29/10/2022 11:39

Just checked the tweet, and it's now up to
Retweet = think it's a man = 4133
Like = think it's a woman = 754

There are also 255 quote tweets, which I guess are just comment.

So more than 5 times as many of the people who responded consider Eddie Izzard to be a man than a woman.

Bearsinmotion · 29/10/2022 11:32

It’s defo the other way around!

JustWaking · 29/10/2022 11:29

@Igmum - I think you've got confused because they gave the results in the opposite order from the initial tweet.

If you think this is a man, Retweet. If you think it’s a woman, like,” Solomons’ tweet read, receiving 625 likes and 3,475 retweets as of Wednesday night

Retweet = think it's a man = 3475
Like = think it's a woman = 625

nilsmousehammer · 29/10/2022 11:29

Calm, coherent, well argued and irrefutable. That is, unless you believe that people born with penises should be indulged in every whim and those born without penises are some kind of subclass who pay equality of taxes but can fuck off in expecting equality of access with the penis people. In which case your male supremacism is very first century.

Sending that one to my MP.

Igmum · 29/10/2022 10:53

Bears I haven't seen the tweet but in the article it says:

If you think this is a man, Retweet. If you think it’s a woman, like,” Solomons’ tweet read, receiving 625 likes and 3,475 retweets as of Wednesday night.

Bearsinmotion · 29/10/2022 10:48

I don’t think that’s right Igmum, 753 responded “woman”, over 4000 responded “man”.

Igmum · 29/10/2022 10:02

Both great articles thanks Arabella. But very disappointed that the overwhelming response to Rabbi Solomon's first tweet was that EI is a woman. Wtf is it with these utterly insane accusations of violence and saying they feel unsafe when someone has made a compassionate point? Ludicrous

PikesPeaked · 29/10/2022 08:17

Never thought the day would come when I would feel more respect for and more comfortable with an Orthodox response to a social situation than a Reform response.

Do you think it's a specific educational problem? Are there really so many people who don't know what violence is? Haven't they noticed the lack of stitches after someone doesn't validate them on Twitter?

No, I think the Prof has summed it up very accurately: it is because of fear, including the fear of being called ‘shameful’ and ‘hateful’. After all, no one wants to be accused, as Suzanne Moore was at the Guardian, of being Goody Proctor dancing with the devil. Far safer to do the accusing.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 28/10/2022 22:41

Abitofalark · 28/10/2022 21:31

I thought this was going to be Alan Johnson, the former Labour minister and MP.

It's by Professor Alan Johnson, whoever that is.

Me too!

Birdsweepsin · 28/10/2022 22:41

Even so, its out there!

EpicChaos · 28/10/2022 22:29

No, he'd likely have been boiled alive, or suffered some other sort of medieval torture had he been!

napody · 28/10/2022 22:27

EpicChaos · 28/10/2022 22:03

" • Alan is writing in a personal capacity. "

A bit of a sickener, to say the least, that they felt the need to add that comment at the end of the article!

Yes. And I doubt he would have been able to write this if he'd still been working at a university.

EpicChaos · 28/10/2022 22:03

" • Alan is writing in a personal capacity. "

A bit of a sickener, to say the least, that they felt the need to add that comment at the end of the article!

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ArabellaScott · 28/10/2022 21:46

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Johnson_(political_theorist)

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Abitofalark · 28/10/2022 21:31

I thought this was going to be Alan Johnson, the former Labour minister and MP.

It's by Professor Alan Johnson, whoever that is.

Princessglittery · 28/10/2022 21:31

Such a good article.

napody · 28/10/2022 21:23

Very good article covering a lot of ground.
Disappointed it's not the Labour Alan Johnson though!

BigglyBee · 28/10/2022 21:22

Rabbi Solomons is awesome!

He really is! I've never read a less hateful or violent opinion, he seems motivated entirely by love of all people and a wish for balance and fairness.