Caroline Farrow update

Any chance, that you can not only sue the police for false arrest but also, the complainant for harassment/stalking/whatever else you can think of?
Hope you can, it's definitely not right that the complainant can complain about everyone it wants, without any comeback for false/defamatory accusations.

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I'm Not sure if there's another post on Caroline Farrow's ongoing dealings with Surrey police.

Today they have harassed her again, due to the original complainant making new complaints against her.... because she speaks the truth on Twitter.

It's appalling to read what she is going through at the hands of Surrey police and how they are indulging and facilitating the ongoing harassment of Caroline. I'm disgusted how this can be happening!

I believe her Twitter page has some decent gardening advice.

Lisa has a pinned tweet dated 4 Oct saying that she will be taking a “keen interest” in the outcome of the investigation but that it wouldn’t be right for her to interfere in an ongoing investigation. She probably has to be very careful not to give any hint of over stepping as she has already had to go in front of the panel to which she reports because of complaints about her public GC views. I really hope she is giving whoever is responsible for Caroline’s treatment hell now that the investigation is over.

@SnapeAlways

Interesting question re: corgi!shop 🤔

Both parts of the judicial oath/affirmation feature making a commitment to serve the sovereign [& their heirs and successors] so he might well find it in poor taste - but had Her Late Majesty claimed it as an act of harassment (not that she’d have been that foolish) I’m sure he’d have explained it didn’t meet said standard. Ditto should His Majesty encounter it & be distressed by the literal violence of the photoshop job in question.

He might feel it’s disrespectful/in poor taste (etc) but that’s not exactly anything new - & it’s certainly not your accuser who’s suffering from the image! Certainly it sits within the identified pattern of scouring the internet to claim they are being harassed by the amplification of their own words & sharing of public records about them.

“I demand you stop telling the truth about me!” really doesn’t sound great, even if dressed up with charges of the truth being cruelly-presented. And of course the memes. Humour has no place amidst the telling of truth drat it!

I am so very sorry you’re being put through this. Am keeping you in my prayers - asking for intercession of Saints Mary Magdalene, Gertrude the Great, & Isidore of Seville. Let me know if you want me to add/remove/change Saints; or if you have a particular prayer you’d like me to say for you, won’t you?

Thank you for having the courage to sue. It's the only way to challenge this: by insisting on the law being followed, over and over again.

Best wishes.

So the police stated that they needed to arrest you in order to gather evidence to see if an offence had been committed? With no evidence either that one had been committed or that you had committed it. That's... pretty astonishing. Best wishes for your case against them.

Caro, I know we’ve snarked and laughed at he who can’t be named here and there (I hear golf is a favoured pass time… specially in a bobble hat 🤮) but I am truely sorry for the amount of shite that you’ve had to endure. I can only hope to have your fortitude.

Fuck em! Let’s roast those chickens til they all come home to roost.

And yes, I am suing the police. They refuse to disclose at this point however, because it could prejudice the investigation. Complete nonsense.

I want to know this too. We hear all the time about people having actual evidence and the police doing nothing about rape and much more serious crimes.

Yet they're all over complaints by this person despite there being no evidence and a long history of harrasing Caroline with vexatious complaints when are thrown out Why?

The police told me that they had to arrest me because an allegation had been made which they needed to investigate.

Once arrested they can then gather evidence.

There is literally no evidence that I am these posters, there can’t be and even Surrey police’s official statement has used the words “to prove or disprove.”

If this was just about a Twitter spat then they would have called me in for interview under caution.

I was arrested in front of the kids at dinnertime and had my devices nicked because a notorious transwoman with a history of getting women jailed, told the police I had been anonymously posting memes on the internet that hurt their feelings.

Yesterday a High Court judge said it is difficult to understand why, IF harassment is happening on this site, the transwoman is still looking at it. The judge did not accept that the post with the court order was harassment. He said it was unremarkable.

I wonder what he would say about the photoshop of the queen and her corgis on there, that I was questioned over?

I must be missing something here - why don’t the police just tell the complainant to fuck off?

I thought (from listening to Fair Cop!) that the police had to have 'reasonable grounds' for arresting someone, and that they took it pretty seriously.

Can you make a complaint about being arrested? Presumably you're entitled to know the grounds, maybe under a SAR if nothing else? If they aren't robust, is there going to be some kind of penalty (an official reprimand?) for the officer who signed off on your arrest? Could you even sue for wrongful arrest?

Sorry to put this on you, but seems like it would be a public good to discourage this behaviour from the police in future.

Thank you for clearing that up as its been bugging me.

So there are two routes for them to get to the devices. One signed by a magistrate which requires a little evidence (well, at least a bit more than she's a stinky mean person) OR an arrest which I also thought required a little more evidence than being accused of being stinky and mean.

If no evidence is required for either way then why do those two routes exist in the first place 🤔

Surely Lisa Townsend should be all over this.

My MP is very well aware.

In a nutshell what we have is a transwoman who wants to build a career as a public figure off the back of their trans status but doesn’t like people talking about their extremely colourful past and doubting their credentials on the internet.

As Mumsnet and the Mail and a number of lawyers and media outlets know, anyone who dares to say anything they don’t like, reports things the wrong way, or gives legal help to their defendants, is sued and reported to regulators.

While the complaints are invariably vexatious, its a deliberate PITA, to act as a deterrent effect.

The trans issue is relevant because this is what is being weaponised.

I suspect the complainant is dying for a career as a legal or political pundit and is trying using to their transgender status as their unique USP, in a similar way to India Willoughby.

I don’t think they really want to be talking about transgender issues, unless it’s from a legal perspective and would much rather be the eccentric figure wheeled out to discuss the historical precedent regarding royal toothpaste throughout the ages and the name of Disraeli’s cousin’s cat!

No one's going to buy the book. But a TV drama would do the trick...

Article? This would make a book!

Beggars belief.

I presume you've taken all this to your MP? And the PCCs of whichever forces were involved?

Is there a journalist out there who would do an article on everything that has happened to Caroline?

The name of the person who posted the court order was “Notso Jolly Halliday”.

I wasn’t questioned about being that person, but I was asked about whether or not I had passed information to third parties for them to post on the site.

I was questioned over whether or not I was “Kit Kat” who posts photoshopped memes and also questioned whether I was the poster “Real Mutha for Ya”.

I told the police that both Kit Kat and RMFY have posted at times when it’s simply impossibly for me to be posting anonymously on KiwiFarms such as for example, when I was playing the organ at Mass.

On Saturday 18 June, the complainant intimated that I was Kit Kat on Twitter, so I went on the Farms and, in order to put a stop to the nonsense, said that I would be in church between a certain time frame.

During that time about 6 posters who I am alleged to be, all came on the site and posted, including when I was accompanying DD singing the psalm!

I told the police that over the past few years I have been accused of being several different posters. At one point I was accused of posting while on an EasyJet flight (no WiFi) and another when presenting to a group of 40 people including an RC Bishop!

This is why I took the unusual and controversial step of posting in my own name about 18 months ago, because these people would not stop reporting me to the police.

I was also asked by the police if I was a number of the posters on a 2018 thread on here, which saw Mumsnet taken to court.

The complainant only came across my radar when they began threatening me in 2019, after Dr Harrop tweeted the Pope!

I’m not all the Farmers, Mumsnetters or RIPX4Nutmeg and neither am I responsible for cartoons or other material, 3rd parties choose to post.

I was talking to DH about this and he said wryly, “I wish you had the same control over the DC as you are supposed to exercise over grown adults”!

But basically the police arrested me and took my devices because a transwoman has said that I am linked to shitposting on the internet. That even if I didn’t make the posts themselves, I might have talked to those who did!

@SnapeAlways so sorry for what you and your family have been through. It's truly shocking & despicable that the police behave in this way.

I hope you and your family are ok.

Only if the neighbour is a woman IMHO

It didn’t need a court order.

I was arrested which then gave them the powers to seize my devices.

Had a warrant been applied for via a magistrate it would have been denied, hence arrest was the easier option.

I also suspect I was arrested because the complainant put in a victim review complaint after their initial report in May was NFA-ed.

sounds pretty fucking dodgy to me