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Right wing men

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namechange10022002 · 28/10/2022 03:26

I know there’s been a lot of discussion about Posie Parker associating with American conservatives to achieve a shared aim, etc. This isn’t about that (I don’t really have an opinion about that) but I guess it is related.

Having watched a few GC videos on YouTube I started watching stuff like Triggernometry and agreeing with much of what they and their guests said. However recently I stumbled upon a similar channel featuring many of the same guests. The channel is run by Carl Benjamin, whose name I vaguely recognised. I watched 2 or 3 of his videos with a growing sense of unease. Though the men on these shows appear to talk a lot of sense about political issues, the way they talk about women makes me feel like they are, at heart, just misogynists. A quick Google search for Carl pretty much confirmed my suspicions. (He was the one who basically said a female MP wasn’t attractive enough to rape). I feel a bit dismayed that people who otherwise seem reasonable are willing to appear on his podcast/channel, laugh at his sexist jokes, agree with his outdated views, etc. My conclusion is that perhaps none of them really care about women, beyond our value as objects of desire, wives and mothers. I still haven’t quite worked out why I feel this way but maybe I’m not the only one. Maybe someone can articulate it better than me!

I guess I just wish that at least one of the popular male podcasters or YouTubers was GC out of a sense of fairness and equality rather than a kind of sexism and misogyny. Regrettably I’m not aware of any female ones.

I don’t even know if this makes sense so please don’t have a go at me, I’m still trying to work out my views. I hope someone can help me figure it out or at least point me towards podcasts/channels which are genuinely more supportive of women.

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PortiasBiscuit · 28/10/2022 07:22

Well duh!

Their engagement with gender politics is absolutely an extension of their homophobia..
The only truly valuable people are male, outwardly heterosexual, able bodied and white!

namechange10022002 · 28/10/2022 07:21

Well I agree with you on that one. When I say right wing, I mean quite far to the right, which I do think = bad, just as being quite far to the left also = bad. Being in the middle or having some conservative views is OK with me.

Who is PN?

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FOJN · 28/10/2022 07:05

Carl Benjamin only supports women who fit his narrow view of what a woman should be. He has very little interest in this cause, it's just useful for him. He's like a right wing version of PN come to life. His channel is poor, the research for the reporting is lazy and any news story covered by the channel rarely deals with nuance. Whilst I think CB is a raging misogynist I think it would be dishonest to claim that he does not see or genuinely think that gender ideology disproportionately disadvantages women.

People you may approve of will appear on his channel because it increases their profile and enables them to reach a different audience. If you make a living from having a public profile then you need to maintain that profile.

Let go of the idea of finding a human you are perfectly aligned with. None of us are perfectly aligned with other people. Also let go of the idea that right wing politics = bad and left wing politics = good, it's simply not true.

namechange10022002 · 28/10/2022 06:37

No I just struggle to understand why any of them give him the time of day when his views are so odious.

Recently I’ve felt like even the well-known ones who seem nice have revealed something about themselves when they complain or agree with complaints about women having tattoos or being fat or wearing loose, unfeminine clothes or doing things traditionally perceived as unladylike. It makes me think that if they really want the same thing as GC women, it’s probably not for the same reason. Their motives seem to be about reinforcing gender stereotypes but restricting them to biological women. I don’t know. I’m not saying I’m right, I’m just thinking out loud, trying to figure out why some of the people I watch have started to make me uncomfortable.

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MangyInseam · 28/10/2022 04:01

So you think this one guy is a baddie, and therefore all the rest are as well? I don't see how you are making that leap.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that no men on the right want fairness or justice for women.

UpToMyElbowsInDiapers · 28/10/2022 03:28

The Feminist Current - Meghan Murphy

She’s relatively progressive and GC.