Do men recognise the sex of a stranger as well as women?

I think everyone is arguing men are worse at it, @YouSirNeighMmmm

I'd argue that men are worse. I know it is one example but 2.05 to 2.45 on this video - american male youtuber reacting to Culture Club's "Do you really wanna hurt me?"

Thanks @OohMrBingley for pointing out the blindingly obvious to JokeDad - he really is refusing to see it, isn’t he?

Here’s your first clue:

”Trans women have always used women's toilets, with no statistical evidence whatsoever that they are more violent.”

Transwomen are not ‘more’ violent. Not one person is arguing they are.

They’re statistically exactly as violent as other men.

And no men come with handy badges or labels for us to be able to tell which are the decent ones, and which are the ones who will harm us.

Which is why we need / want / deserve single sex spaces.

Trans women have always used women's toilets, with no statistical evidence whatsoever that they are more violent.

More violent than whom @DadJoke ?

Male average, female average, population average? Because I wonder if you acknowledge the massive disparity in violence between men and women, particularly sexual violence. And if you can understand that the ability to be away from that is important. One of the many reasons single sex spaces are.

I'm fascinated by the subtle clues that I pick up on subconsciously. The other day I was driving along a country road and saw a figure approaching me in the distance. They were wearing an orange boiler suit and hard hat and had a coil of rope doing over their shoulder. I immediately clocked that they were female

To clarify what I mean, I think men are better at spotting transwomen than transmen as straight men don't pay much attention to a perceived non-threatening bloke and gay men will spot the transman as female in the same way that lesbians (and most women) can spot a male presenting as female ver quickly.

I think men are more wired to be driven by sexual attraction so when a transwoman pops up on a TV quiz for example, their reaction tends to be "Whoah, Trigger"! rather than "Phwoar, darlin"!

I don't think they're as good at spotting transmen. We saw a clip of the pro-trans rally outside Holyrood yesterday and there was a transman with a banner saying something like "I'm trans and proud" and DH said "No you're not, you're a bloke" and I had to disabuse him. But I think it's because men just don't "see" women they don't find attractive unless engaging on a day-to-day non-sexual level.

As far as I am aware, no woman has ever tried to play the piano with her vagina on television. This would not be natural behaviour for a woman. Why people think this person is a woman is beyond me.

It's an interesting thread, and sometimes people like to play those games of guess the sex, but in the current climate we're past the passibility test.

Stonewall tell us not to assume anyone's gender, don't assume a man is a man because he has a beard, wears a suit etc.

We're in Emperor's New Clothes territory. We are told not to believe what we can see in front of us. We're told that that bearded man in men's clothing taking photographs in the women's toilets is a trans woman, that that male stand up comic is a female politician.

You have men who aren't interested in trying to be women, the "I'm trans" is such a basic lie to get out of trouble, and yet people believe it.

I assume they would have been transsexual back then? These days it’s transgender which is a very different kettle of fish.

Before people would try to ‘look/act like’, the new movement seems to encompass those who want to bully and abuse women whilst clearly demonstrating (ie playing the piano with their God given penis) that they - no matter what they say - aren’t trying very hard, if at all.

I worked with an older transwoman in an office job 20 years ago. She dressed very similarly to women her age in the office, had understated makeup and hair and apart from a slightly deeper voice generally passed.

Until she got up from the desk and suddenly there was this uncanny valley effect because the gait, and mannerisms in general, were just undeniably male. It was just the strangest thing because my brain would default into seeing "Jayne" as a woman and then it was like missing a step.

Do you understand what it feels like to encounter a male-bodied person in a female single sex space?

I can only assume you've never actually done any research into the statistics of male pattern violence and transwomen violence? Perhaps you've just taken the transwomen in your life and your twitter feed at face value when they bleat about being the most vulnerable and most at risk and whatever other competitive victim claims they make.
Seeing a transwoman in the female toilets would make me deeply uncomfortable, and I'd probably turn around and head out rather than approach them because I'm probably half their size and strength. I'm not that stupid. Perhaps this is why transwomen have claimed to always use the womens toilets? Because actual Adult Human Females daren't risk objecting?
I know this doesnt affect you so you won't give a shit but thanks for mansplaining that I shouldn't be 'panicking'.

And no, I never justified attacking anyone, but thats an excellent bit of manipulation you did just there. 10 points.

I walk my dog regularly. It pays to know who else is there, as you need to maybe skirt some dogs, leash mine with others, let mine off for a romp with the rest.

I see people in the distance. Almost always in flat shoes, anoraks, trousers. Often with a hat. No sense of scale, really, to see how big they are.

It takes about 10 seconds at most (perhaps if they were standing still) to identify male or female.
If there's more than one, even they way they relate to each other shrieks male or female.

DH and I were on holiday in Europe this summer and it was very clear to me that one of the waiting staff who served us was a TW. DH however did not notice and even the following evening he wasn’t 100% sure until he specifically looked.
The TW was young, slim and immaculately made up but I think it was the way they walked and moved in general which made it really obvious to me, sort of ‘minced’ (not sure how else to describe it) and over exaggerated.

Also I don’t give a fuck whether a TW is dangerous or not

Single sex spaces are just that, single sex. The moment a man turns up in it, it ceases to be single sex

women don’t exist to prop up male sexual fantasies

oooh fab!! Dadjoke (never has a name been more apt) has joined the thread to talk about toilets again

going back to the topic - it’s always the walk that gives it away - no amount of heels, make up & dress will give a man a female pelvis & hence a female gait.

My dh is pretty sharp at spotting trans women.

Trans women have always used women's toilets, with no statistical evidence whatsoever that they are more violent.

Im older than most people herr, so remember way back when. And i can tell you for certain that women were not embracing "TW" in women toilets .

If we were, they would be no need of those 'dont ask" signs.

I remember a few years ago when a Premiership footballer got in trouble for playing "Cock or No Cock" on Twitter.

Statistics would say otherwise.

60% of males who ID as women who are in prison are there for sex related offences. For males who do not Id as women, that stastic stands at 18%.

They keep the same level of violence as males who do not Id as women, and are more than 3 times as likely to be sexually violent than men who do not ID as women.

2022 stats so not out of date. Mate.

No, they previously didn't. Trans women have always used women's toilets, with no statistical evidence whatsoever that they are more violent. This is a bigotted trans panic we've seen so many times before with so many other minorties. Own it. And don't claim to speak for all women - it's gender critical people who are doing this, and the majority of anti-trans people are men. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you are justifying attacks on GNC women, but perhaps I need to lower my bar.

That Twitter thread is great.

I remember taking my toddler DD to the supermarket wearing blue shoes, red trousers and a generic T shirt and passing a woman with a similar aged toddler. Her baby looked at mine and said Girl. Mother corrected him with "it's a boy, darling" but he was adamant that she was a girl.

Mother was looking at the short hair (took years for it to grow properly), clothes and shoes but child was fully aware of DD's sex.

This was repeated so often that I am convinced that small children are well aware who is male/female long before the "social cues" of dress, hairstyle etc kick in. It seems to change around 3-4 when they go to pre-school and start to be influenced by other people's ideas of what a girl or boy should look and act like.