To feel incredibly sorry for Eddie Izzard

I hate it too, but I'd rather that than be force teamed with men into one ladybrain "gender".

'We' did not raise those women. The backlash raised those women; a feminist society would have offered them solidarity, class consciousness, critical thinking skills, and assertiveness training.

I find it tragic that we appear to have raised a generation of females

is it only me who hates the use of "females" as though we're being talked about by the Ferengi or Incels? we're women.

I sometimes wonder at the massive backlash against feminism and feminists in the 80s and ask myself if that is where all this started. Back in the day i spent (unfortunately only) one weekend at Greenham Common with some amazing ladies. One taught me to knit, she was in her 80s then and told stories of when she was a young woman and how excited she was the first time she went to vote, how it was to lose so many men from your generation, then so many sons, brothers, husbands, not too long later. How they took over the dirty jobs so the men could go and fight, for less money and were booted out when they got back, the Aldermasten marches, the summer of love, 1968 and so on.

So many different women from different backgrounds and at different stages of their lives. What a bloody eye opener. And i thought then as i think now, men do absolutely nothing to promote and enhance women's lives unless it benefits them.

The men in power i mean, they don't really care about other men, or minority groups. I learned then to be sceptical about everything men tell me and to look instead for actions. We seem to have been peddling backwards so bloody fast. I wonder what the lady at Greenham (who had never married or had children but still wanted to improve the world for others) would think of us now, where we took their fight for equality and an end to gender stereotypes.

And while I have those females, and the excluded and harmed females to worry about, I have zero time or patience left for Izzard et al flouncing around in their Wonderful and Magical World of Me. Izzard knows exactly what Izzard is doing, and Izzards open disrespect for females and enjoyment of this control and dominance play is front and centre, Izzard makes no effort to hide it.

And that I have to conceal pronouns to protect that anti-female behaviour makes me fucking furious . Which does nothing at all in the win hearts and minds and get females to shut up and co operate stakes but helps hugely in the getting pissed off enough to overturn this bullshit for good stakes.

Crack on Ed.

This.

I find it tragic that we appear to have raised a generation of females who are passionately committed to enabling others and sacrificing their own interests, and have not yet cottoned on about co dependency.

We're failing females massively and this is where it shows the most, these young women are embracing and supporting male supremacism and the lovely emotional rush of nobility and kindness being gullible doormats. Try and get them to care about an equality of consideration for females, the vulnerabilities of women and their access needs, anything in fact but the male supremacist awwww bless men programming, and they look at you like you've grown three heads. It doesn't compute. It's naughty and wrong to care about females. But sex definitely doesn't exist because he looks sad and threatens to hit/rape if I don't say so loudly and a lot.

They have no issue at all knowing who was born to serve and shut up, and who was born to make the rules and threaten and hand out the punishments. No genital checks needed; they know. Not even cosmetic surgery and medication confuses the issue in any way.

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i've learnt a lot of things on FWR over this issue, one of them being the scam bait and switch.

That's what you get with trans ideology. You can be gender fluid, or non-binary, which appears to be completely outside defining yourself by one sex or the other. Almost as though sex doesn't exist.

Until it comes to spaces and rights. Then it switches straight back into rights based on sex, and that women's should be ceded to men.

So would I in the election itself and I would expect it to take votes away from Izzard in any local election - you don't get the popular vote by rubbishing an area. Celebs on the election ticket can be a double edged sword.

However for the other Labour candidates who are both local and minority, using this in their candidacy leaflets could cause them trouble with the party. They are at a significant disadvantage compared to competing with most parachuting celebs.

Ah, that's because you're trying to be logical.

blimey, i don't get accused of that very often. I should frame this.

Thanks, that makes more sense.

Ah, that's because you're trying to be logical.

If we all accept that gender is about wearing masculine or feminine clothes, then gender fluidity is all about what outfit you put on that day. Girl mode, boy mode. Taking heels on and off.

And being a transwoman is the same. So a man who wears clothes he thinks are normally worn by women. Girl mode. Heels.

But that doesn't give men access to women's spaces, or an opportunity for them to exceed at women's sport, or go to a female prison, etc. And it doesn't allow for any kind of external validation, either.

So then you will be told that it actually refers to sex, in order for things segregated by sex to be handed over.

And that's when the logic falls apart.

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Hear, hear!

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The only thing I would suggest is that rather than calling it "gender dysphoria", we use the term "body dysmorphia". Gender is a meaningless term. It has no real definition - it is whatever someone decides it is to them, so they can hardly be uncomfortable with it.

Biology, however, is real. Many people are unhappy with their bodies in some way (not necessarily related to their sex). Distress related to body or appearance is better described as body dysmorphia.

Except, I suppose, that many of these activists are very happy with the sex of their bodies - they often don't want to change their genitals - they just want to change how other people regard them and want to force others to perceive them in a particular way and treat them in a way that effectively gives them power.

While they have every right to dress etc however they want, they don't have the right to make the rest of the world go along with their fantasies. And they certainly don't have the right to place others in danger to validate them.

Blatant Hypocrisy and women are supposed to accept it and be nice.

Is quite telling though isn't it? Everybody has to say that they're a woman as much as all the other women except for when they want to use their male advantage to claim their inheritance as a male heir or get the middle aged man acting roles. The US wants all women to push over for all these real transwomen women except for one they could fuck men and the country over by identifying out of signing up for the military draft......

Tell me how women aren't second class citizens again.............

Lol at Izzard the saviour of Sheffield

Me too @AryaStarkWolf if only I knew I was gender fluid all along….

Taking "her" heels off?? I must be a man most of the time then

my point being that if you are gender fluid you don't identify as one gender or the other all the time. So being a transwoman contradicts that.

I saw a tweet the other day from someone who also had "non binary transwoman" and it confused me. However there are very few places you can ask without taking a (verbal) bashing and ending up on terf-blocker algorithms. And I don't identify as a terf so I'm against that

I think EI is claiming to be ‘gender fluid’ as a cop out.

I suspect it's so you can take male roles in films.

Not much call for 60-year-old 'girls' in movies. (Well some movies maybe).

Rosie Duffield was the first Labour woman to speak up about gender ideology and is still, years later and when it's absolutely clear she was right, is still getting bashed for speaking the truth.

EI is a multi-millionaire white male so privileged that he doesn't think he needs to observe women's boundaries.

I know who I feel sympathy for and it's not EI.

I'm confused about Izzard being "a gender-fluid transwoman". If you're gender fluid (or non binary) how can you be a woman? so confused

He, or at least his twitter account, has retweeted a complaint about transphobia, along with racism presumably against Abtisam Mohammed.

It really boils my blood that he is putting people telling. the truth about his sex in the same fucking category as the racist abuse that the woman muslim candidate who actually is active in the area suffers.

I don't have any pity for Eddie Izzard he knows exactly what he is doing and why he is doing it.

Here's the full article.

www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/27/eddie-izzard-rules-out-appearing-on-all-women-labour-mp-shortlist

He did. All of that and more.

In the interest of strict honesty, the two comments were separated by others in the article, they didn't run together. But he absolutely said those things.

And how he has identified as trans for 37 years. Because, in the interest of strict honesty, that's not bloody honest, is it? He 'identified' as a transvestite, not a woman.

That's what Stonewall have done. They have invented the term transgender to include transvestite, transsexual, cross dressers in general, and drag queens.

oh, and the other invented term, gender fluidity.